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Offline Puvomun

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Letsranten...
« on: October 27, 2011, 05:06:17 am »
Oe lu pamreltu.
Aylì'u lu yawne oeru.
Tìvirä ayvur lu letsranten oeru.

Oe lu karyu.
Tìomum lu yawne oeru.
Tìvirä tìomum lu letsranten oeru.

Oe lu tute.
Kifkey lu yawne oeru.
Ke tìtatep kifkeyä lu letsranten oeru.

Oe lu koak.
Tìrey lu yawne oeru.
Txe'lan a'ewan... lu letsranten fraporu.
Krr a lì'fya lam sraw, may' frivìp utralit.

Ngopyu ayvurä.

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Re: Letsranten...
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2011, 10:22:54 am »
Seysonìltsan ma Puvomum! Suneiu oer ngeyä pamrel amip, nìpxì fìsäfpìl:
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Txe'lan a'ewan... lu letsranten fraporu.
:)

+1 :D

Tse'a ngal ke'ut a krr fra'uti kame.


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Re: Letsranten...
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2011, 10:34:41 am »
Ngaya aylì'u, ma Puvomun, slä oel sivar lì'uti alu tsranten tup lu letsranten (hufwa lam fwa tsaw nìteng eyawr lu). Kop:

Fwa virä* ayvurit lu letsranten oeru.
...
Fwa virä tìomumit lu letsranten oeru.
...
Fwa ke tatep kifkeyäti lu letsranten oeru.
When the mirror speaks, the reflection lies.

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Re: Letsranten...
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2011, 01:26:28 pm »
Ngaya aylì'u, ma Puvomun, slä oel sivar lì'uti alu tsranten tup lu letsranten (hufwa lam fwa tsaw nìteng eyawr lu). Kop:

Fwa virä* ayvurit lu letsranten oeru.
...
Fwa virä tìomumit lu letsranten oeru.
...
Fwa ke tatep kifkeyäti lu letsranten oeru.

Cutting in with English, to make it easier (for me!).
I mean to say: spreading stories, spreading knowledge, etc.

'fwa' is mentioned as "that" in the dictionary, which makes me interpret your version as: that to spread stories is important to me. Somehow that does not "feel" the same as "spreading". I selected the "tì"-versions on purpose, as that (afaik) turns a verb in the verb-ing form.

I do see the improvement with "tsranten", for some reason I missed that verb.  :-\
Krr a lì'fya lam sraw, may' frivìp utralit.

Ngopyu ayvurä.

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Re: Letsranten...
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2011, 01:54:55 pm »
Tì- is a noun-forming prefix, but it's not productive. The "-ing form" (aka gerund) is formed using tì- <us>, however Na'vi gerunds can't take arguments (i.e. objects), so *tìvusirä ayvurit is incorrect. Usually such cases are handled with "fwa/futa/furia [verb+object]", so the best way to translate fwa virä ayvurit, tsranten oer would be exactly "spreading stories matters to me."
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Re: Letsranten...
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2011, 02:02:05 pm »
Tì- is a noun-forming prefix, but it's not productive. The "-ing form" (aka gerund) is formed using tì- <us>, however Na'vi gerunds can't take arguments (i.e. objects), so *tìvusirä ayvurit is incorrect. Usually such cases are handled with "fwa/futa/furia [verb+object]", so the best way to translate fwa virä ayvurit, tsranten oer would be exactly "spreading stories matters to me."

Ahhh, I see. I shall copy all of this into my grammar-etc-document, which is more reliable on these things than my head. Irayo si ngaru.
Krr a lì'fya lam sraw, may' frivìp utralit.

Ngopyu ayvurä.

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Re: Letsranten...
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2011, 05:11:16 pm »
'fwa' is mentioned as "that" in the dictionary, which makes me interpret your version as: that to spread stories is important to me. Somehow that does not "feel" the same as "spreading". I selected the "tì"-versions on purpose, as that (afaik) turns a verb in the verb-ing form.
Here is worth to say: translate meaning, not words (golden rule I break sometimes too, I'm afraid...)

Good poem, ma Puvomun. First strophe makes me think about Nanowrimo - I know you have big experience in this field :)
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Re: Letsranten...
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2011, 05:30:21 pm »
Seysonìltsan ma Puvomum! Suneiu oer ngeyä pamrel amip, nìpxì fìsäfpìl:
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Txe'lan a'ewan... lu letsranten fraporu.
:)

Mllte oe Kameanhu, ulte hufwa *grammar*ìri ngeyä lu keyey mi, tsranten nì'aw txo nga ke tsivun nivume ta ayfì'u. ;)
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