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Payoang mì hilvan
« on: March 02, 2012, 01:50:08 am »
Oe lu payoang mì hilvan
Oeyä tìrey lu tìslele.

Pay lu oeyä 'eylan, oeyä kifkey.
Fìtsenge oe sì oeyä soaia slele, sngume luke.

Wrrpa oeyä kifkey, lu txana ayoang.
Fo nekx oeyä kifkey, ulte tsaw lu säfpìl lekye'ung.

Krro krro tuteol a oeyä soaia txìng payti
Oe ke omum pelun, fu ne peseng fo kä.

Kxawm oel txayìng payti nìteng, fìtrr fu trray.
Oe ke omum. Oe lu payoang nì'aw.
« Last Edit: March 02, 2012, 01:55:02 am by Puvomun »
Krr a lì'fya lam sraw, may' frivìp utralit.

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Re: Payoang mì hilvan
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2012, 04:20:54 am »
Way a ta tìrey payoangä :) Tìfmi asìltsan! Sunu oeru fwa nga pamrel seri fìtsenge nìmun, ma Puvomun

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Fìtsenge oe sì oeyä soaia slele, sngumluke.
Wrrpa oeyä kifkeyä, lu txana ayioang.
Fol nekx oeyä kifkeyit, ...
Krro krro tuteol a ta oeyä soaia txìng payti
Oel ke omum pelunit, fu ne peseng fo kä.
Oe lu skxawng skxakep. Slä oe nerume mi.
"Oe tasyätxaw ulte koren za'u oehu" (Limonádový Joe)


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Re: Payoang mì hilvan
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2012, 05:00:34 am »
Way a ta tìrey payoangä :) Tìfmi asìltsan! Sunu oeru fwa nga pamrel seri fìtsenge nìmun, ma Puvomun

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Fìtsenge oe sì oeyä soaia slele, sngumluke.
Wrrpa oeyä kifkeyä, lu txana ayioang.
Fol nekx oeyä kifkeyit, ...
Krro krro tuteol a ta oeyä soaia txìng payti
Oel ke omum pelunit, fu ne peseng fo kä.

Irayo, ma Blue Elf.

>Wrrpa oeyä kifkeyä
Wrrpa is a noun as well as an adverb - I mean the adverbial use here - outside my world.

The rest, indeed, needs these changes. Irayo nìmun!
/edit/ except perhaps 'fo' in the last line, as it reference the somebodies that leave 'from time to time', which implies more than one.
« Last Edit: March 02, 2012, 05:05:31 am by Puvomun »
Krr a lì'fya lam sraw, may' frivìp utralit.

Ngopyu ayvurä.

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Re: Payoang mì hilvan
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2012, 09:33:56 am »
Irayo, ma Blue Elf.

>Wrrpa oeyä kifkeyä
Wrrpa is a noun as well as an adverb - I mean the adverbial use here - outside my world.
That's ok, but IMHO it should be "outside of my world", so we need some equivalent for "of". I'm not sure if genitive is possible here. More experienced person is needed.

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The rest, indeed, needs these changes. Irayo nìmun!
/edit/ except perhaps 'fo' in the last line, as it reference the somebodies that leave 'from time to time', which implies more than one.
But from "tuteol" I see that at one time only one person leaves. I think the same number should be used on both sides (as these are different clauses).
Oe lu skxawng skxakep. Slä oe nerume mi.
"Oe tasyätxaw ulte koren za'u oehu" (Limonádový Joe)


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Re: Payoang mì hilvan
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2012, 09:43:07 am »
Kosmana pamrel ma Puvomun. Suneiu oer nìtxan! :)
Tse'a ngal ke'ut a krr fra'uti kame.


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Re: Payoang mì hilvan
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2012, 10:52:07 am »
Irayo, ma Blue Elf.

>Wrrpa oeyä kifkeyä
Wrrpa is a noun as well as an adverb - I mean the adverbial use here - outside my world.
That's ok, but IMHO it should be "outside of my world", so we need some equivalent for "of". I'm not sure if genitive is possible here. More experienced person is needed.
Perhaps tsengo might help here?
Tsengo, ke mì oeyä kifkey,
Somewhere, not in my world,

or even somewhere over my world:
Tsengo oeyä kifkeyio


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The rest, indeed, needs these changes. Irayo nìmun!
/edit/ except perhaps 'fo' in the last line, as it reference the somebodies that leave 'from time to time', which implies more than one.
But from "tuteol" I see that at one time only one person leaves. I think the same number should be used on both sides (as these are different clauses).
Hmmm. When I consider this in English it looks awkward:
from time to time someone from my world leaves
I don't know where he goes.

This would imply that the same tuteo leaves, comes back and goes again. Seeing that these are fish that are caught, there is little chance they come back, srak? I would like to use 'disappear' but there is no word for that yet, so I had to settle for 'leave'.
I think adding tì’i’avay krrä might do the trick. Leave forever.

Oe lu payoang mì hilvan
Oeyä tìrey lu tìslele.

Pay lu oeyä 'eylan, oeyä kifkey.
Fìtsenge oe sì oeyä soaia slele, sngumluke.

Tsengo oeyä kifkeyio, lu pxaya ioang.
Fol nekx oeyä kifkeyit, ulte tsaw lu säfpìl lekye'ung.

Krro krro tuteol a ta oeyä soaia txìng payti tì’i’avay krrä.
Oel ke omum lunit, fu ne peseng fo kä.

Kxawm oel txayìng payti nìteng, fìtrr fu trray.
Oe ke omum. Oe lu payoang nì'aw.



Ulte ma Kamean, irayo si ngaru
Krr a lì'fya lam sraw, may' frivìp utralit.

Ngopyu ayvurä.

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Re: Payoang mì hilvan
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2012, 08:04:07 pm »
Kosmana tìkangkemvi, ma Puvomun. :)

Kxawm nivew nga sivar san suteol sìk, although in English it does sound a bit silly. :-\
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Re: Payoang mì hilvan
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2012, 11:03:48 pm »
Kosmana tìkangkemvi, ma Puvomun. :)

Kxawm nivew nga sivar san suteol sìk, although in English it does sound a bit silly. :-\
Irayo.
Ngay, 'suteol' does sound strange. Also, for me, that would give the impression that more someones disappear at the same time. Fascinating to run into the habits of a language this way...

How about this (using the latest from our greatest):

Krr ftawnem, ulte nì'ul'ul hapxì a ta oeyä soaia txìng payti tì’i’avay krrä.

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Krr a lì'fya lam sraw, may' frivìp utralit.

Ngopyu ayvurä.

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Re: Payoang mì hilvan
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2012, 06:53:04 am »
Kosmana tìkangkemvi, ma Puvomun. :)

Kxawm nivew nga sivar san suteol sìk, although in English it does sound a bit silly. :-\
Irayo.
Ngay, 'suteol' does sound strange. Also, for me, that would give the impression that more someones disappear at the same time. Fascinating to run into the habits of a language this way...

How about this (using the latest from our greatest):

Krr ftawnem, ulte nì'ul'ul hapxì a ta oeyä soaia txìng payti tì’i’avay krrä.

?
I'd use:
Krr ftem, ulte nì'ul'ul (ay)hapxìtu a ta oeyä soaia txìng payti tì’i’avay krrä.
Time passes by and more and more members of my family leaves watter forever.
Oe lu skxawng skxakep. Slä oe nerume mi.
"Oe tasyätxaw ulte koren za'u oehu" (Limonádový Joe)


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Re: Payoang mì hilvan
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2012, 11:18:51 am »
I'd use:
Krr ftem, ulte nì'ul'ul (ay)hapxìtu a ta oeyä soaia txìng payti tì’i’avay krrä.
Time passes by and more and more members of my family leaves watter forever.

Irayo. Slowly we're piecing this together ;)
Krr a lì'fya lam sraw, may' frivìp utralit.

Ngopyu ayvurä.

 

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