Pelun zene oeng livatem?

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Ftxavanga Txe′lan

Hu Yayo pamrel sami fì'ut oel. Tsal tìrol lamu, slä moel txamìng tìkangkemvit. Na *text* fu *poem* wìntxu oel tsat set. :)

Oeti txerusìng mì tìvawru
Luke atan sì tìtxura sìlpey,
Ngal skola'a tìfpomit oeyä
Ulte tspolang fpoma txepvit oeru.

Käteng frakrr ngahu
Luke lun lu set.

Pelun zene ayoeng leykatem?
Ke fì'uti new, spxin seyki oeti.
Ngal kavuk soli oeyä tìyawnit
Ayoeng ulte set, ke tsun kivä.

Oeyä txe'lanru ke lu seykxel fìtrr,
Oel ke tsun tse'a tsawketi sì sanhìti.
Nìwotx kifkey pxaw oel layon lam,
Oeyä tirea lu aylaru kakrel.

Käteng frakrr ngahu
Luke lun lu set.
Ulte tsaw lehawngkrr nìhawng set,
Lu hasey.

Pelun zene ayoeng leykatem?
Ke fì'uti new, spxin seyki oeti.
Ngal kavuk soli oeyä tìyawnit
Ayoeng ulte set, ke tsun kivä.

Sla tìlor sì tìfpom 'var kelku si
Pxaw ne ayoengru
Sì mì vawma swaw.
Ayoengìl nì'aw zene nìlkeftang fpi mefoti.

May tìsraw sì kxitx tìrey zaya'u.
Sngä'ikrr amip len.
Txivìng si lu ke letslunslu kaw'it,
Tìseykxel sì tìsìlpey 'ì'awn.

Mip hu *corrections*

Mip luke *corrections*

nì'Ìnglìsì

Eywa'eveng-tìranyu

Fì'u lu kul!

menga lu *poets* srak?

Blue Elf

Really nice, applause!
However, there are some mistakes (I think these are mostly typos). I'll try them find for my exercise, now only a few whose I see without deep thinking:
- as zene is modal verb, caption should be Pelun zene ayoeng leykivatem - in the text it is correctly
- Oeti txerusìng mì tìvawru should be Oeti txerìng mì tìvawm. <us> can't be used with other infixes, you can't use case ending with adposition and adposition is needed here, that's correct
- Luke atan sì tìtxura sìlpey should be Luke atan sì txura tìsìlpey
- Käteng frakrr nhgahu should be Kawnäteng krr lewotx ngahu

I didn't managed to check more, but it is good work. Do not afraid of mistakes - everyone does them, me too.
Eywa ngahu!
Oe lu skxawng skxakep. Slä oe nerume mi.
"Oe tasyätxaw ulte koren za'u oehu" (Limonádový Joe)


Sireayä mokri

It's a good idea to make this translation, however I found a lot a lot of things to correct, so I'll just post full corrected text here and if you got any questions in particular, please ask.


Ulte rä'ä ftang tskxekeng sivi ;)
When the mirror speaks, the reflection lies.

Kamean

Tse'a ngal ke'ut a krr fra'uti kame.


Ftxavanga Txe′lan

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Irayo nìtxan teri aylì'u atstunwi sì srung, ma eylan. :D Ma Eywa'eveng, moe ke lu *poets*, slä pamrel susi prrte' oeru. ;) Soli pxaya keyeyit ahiyìk oe! hrh ;P Ke tslam fì'ut, tsun nga oeyktivìng ayfoti oeru, rutxe? :)

- Oeti txerìng mì sìvawm: Pelun vawm tup vamw nì'aw?
- Ngal skola'a tìfpomit oeyä: Pelun fpomit tup fpomit nì'aw?
- Pelun zene ayoeng livatem?: Pelun ke tsun oe <eyk> yivem (leykivatem)?
- Ke new tsakem sivi, spxin seyku oeti.: Lu ral tsakem siviyä "do that action" srak?
- Nga kavuk soli oeyä tìyawnur: Pelun tìyawnur hu *dative*?

Hu sute mune, lu *inclusive plural form* moeng srak? :o


Eywa'eveng-tìranyu


Sireayä mokri

Quote from: Ftxavanga Txe′lan on May 17, 2011, 11:11:38 AM
- Oeti txerìng mì sìvawm: Pelun vawm tup vamw nì'aw?

Vawm lu *adjective* ulte sa'uhu ke tsun fko sivar *adposition*it. *Lenition*ìri (mì+) tìvawm slu sìvawm.

Quote from: Ftxavanga Txe′lan on May 17, 2011, 11:11:38 AM
- Ngal skola'a tìfpomit oeyä: Pelun fpomit tup fpomit nì'aw?

Srane, zene livu fpomit. Fìfya oe pamrel soli.

Quote from: Ftxavanga Txe′lan on May 17, 2011, 11:11:38 AM
- Pelun zene ayoeng livatem?: Pelun ke tsun oe <eyk> yivem (leykivatem)?

Leykatem lu kemlì'u a*transitive*. Ke kin ngal tsat fìtseng talun ke lu kea *object*.

Quote from: Ftxavanga Txe′lan on May 17, 2011, 11:11:38 AM
- Ke new tsakem sivi, spxin seyku oeti.: Lu ral tsakem siviyä "do that action" srak?

Ngaru tìyawr. Tsakem lu "latem".

Quote from: Ftxavanga Txe′lan on May 17, 2011, 11:11:38 AM
- Nga kavuk soli oeyä tìyawnur: Pelun tìyawnur hu *dative*?

Kavuk si lu *intransitive* (pxel frakemlì'u hu si-hapxì). Ha hu *object* sar fkol *dative*it.
When the mirror speaks, the reflection lies.

Puvomun

Krr a lì'fya lam sraw, may' frivìp utralit.

Ngopyu ayvurä.

Ftxavanga Txe′lan

Irayo nìmun! :) Tslam oel keyeyit oeyä. :3 Lusatem *post*it a'awve ulte yusem ngeyä *corrections*it tsamì!

Prrte' lu ngaru tsive'a aylì'ut oeyä, ma Puvomun. :D Irayo nìtxan!

Alyara Arati

Fì'u lu lor nìtxan, ma Ftxavanga.  Ziverok ngal futa nga lu atan mì sìvawm.  Txe'lan ngeyä sì tirea ngeyä *just shine*!
Learn how to see.  Realize that everything connects to everything else.
~ Leonardo da Vinci

Ftxavanga Txe′lan

Quote from: Alyara Arati on May 17, 2011, 02:34:07 PM
Fì'u lu lor nìtxan, ma Ftxavanga.  Ziverok ngal futa nga lu atan mì sìvawm.  Txe'lan ngeyä sì tirea ngeyä *just shine*!

Irayo, ma tsmuke. :) Ngal tìng sìlpeyit oeru. :3 Nga tstunwi sì txantsan lu!

Blue Elf

Quote from: Ftxavanga Txe′lan on May 17, 2011, 07:53:01 PM
Irayo, ma tsmuke. :) Ngal tìng sìlpeyit oeru. :3 Nga tstunwi sì txantsan lu!
Tsalì'u alu sìlpey lu kemlì'u a nga ke tsun yivem fìfya. Lì'u a nga kin lu tìsìlpey alu *noun* :)
Oe lu skxawng skxakep. Slä oe nerume mi.
"Oe tasyätxaw ulte koren za'u oehu" (Limonádový Joe)


Sireayä mokri

Ma Ftxavanga Txe′lan, lusatemyusem lu melì'u a mesa'ur syaw fko nì'Ìnglìsì "participle". Sa'u lu na *adjectives* ulte sa'ut tsun fko sivar -a-hu nì'aw. Natkenong: nusumea tute fu rìk azusup. Txo new nga sivar kemlì'ut (I'm learning), tsun sivar nga kemlì'uvit alu <er> ("leykeratem *post*it").
When the mirror speaks, the reflection lies.

Ftxavanga Txe′lan

Quote from: Blue Elf on May 18, 2011, 12:39:38 AM
Quote from: Ftxavanga Txe′lan on May 17, 2011, 07:53:01 PM
Irayo, ma tsmuke. :) Ngal tìng sìlpeyit oeru. :3 Nga tstunwi sì txantsan lu!
Tsalì'u alu sìlpey lu kemlì'u a nga ke tsun yivem fìfya. Lì'u a nga kin lu tìsìlpey alu *noun* :)

Ngay! Tswalma' oe fì'ut, irayo. :) Zene ziverok!

Quote from: Sireayä mokri on May 18, 2011, 08:44:16 AM
Ma Ftxavanga Txe′lan, lusatemyusem lu melì'u a mesa'ur syaw fko nì'Ìnglìsì "participle". Sa'u lu na *adjectives* ulte sa'ut tsun fko sivar -a-hu nì'aw. Natkenong: nusumea tute fu rìk azusup. Txo new nga sivar kemlì'ut (I'm learning), tsun sivar nga kemlì'uvit alu <er> ("leykeratem *post*it").

Oh, tsolam! Irayo nìtxan. :D Mekeyey oeyä hiyìk lu - omamum eyawra fya'ot, slä pamrel sami mekeyeyit. Skxakep lun lu *confusion*it mìkan <us> sì <am>. :)  

Blue Elf

Quote from: Ftxavanga Txe′lan on May 19, 2011, 07:57:41 PM
Quote from: Sireayä mokri on May 18, 2011, 08:44:16 AM
Ma Ftxavanga Txe′lan, lusatemyusem lu melì'u a mesa'ur syaw fko nì'Ìnglìsì "participle". Sa'u lu na *adjectives* ulte sa'ut tsun fko sivar -a-hu nì'aw. Natkenong: nusumea tute fu rìk azusup. Txo new nga sivar kemlì'ut (I'm learning), tsun sivar nga kemlì'uvit alu <er> ("leykeratem *post*it").

Oh, tsolam! Irayo nìtxan. :D Mekeyey oeyä hiyìk lu - omamum eyawra fya'ot, slä pamrel sami mekeyeyit. Skxakep lun lu *confusion*it mìkan <us> sì <am>. :)  
kea om<am>um, slä <am>omum :) <am> lu 'awve klltseng kemlì'uvi ulte: <0><1>om<2>um. Kemlì'uvi lu ngäzìk krro krro...
Oe lu skxawng skxakep. Slä oe nerume mi.
"Oe tasyätxaw ulte koren za'u oehu" (Limonádový Joe)


Ftxavanga Txe′lan

Quote from: Blue Elf on May 20, 2011, 12:59:08 AM
Quote from: Ftxavanga Txe′lan on May 19, 2011, 07:57:41 PM
Quote from: Sireayä mokri on May 18, 2011, 08:44:16 AM
Ma Ftxavanga Txe′lan, lusatemyusem lu melì'u a mesa'ur syaw fko nì'Ìnglìsì "participle". Sa'u lu na *adjectives* ulte sa'ut tsun fko sivar -a-hu nì'aw. Natkenong: nusumea tute fu rìk azusup. Txo new nga sivar kemlì'ut (I'm learning), tsun sivar nga kemlì'uvit alu <er> ("leykeratem *post*it").

Oh, tsolam! Irayo nìtxan. :D Mekeyey oeyä hiyìk lu - omamum eyawra fya'ot, slä pamrel sami mekeyeyit. Skxakep lun lu *confusion*it mìkan <us> sì <am>. :)  
kea om<am>um, slä <am>omum :) <am> lu 'awve klltseng kemlì'uvi ulte: <0><1>om<2>um. Kemlì'uvi lu ngäzìk krro krro...

Ah, sran! :D Zerok fì'ut set. Pamrel sami mì ay*notes* oeyä:

QuoteThe infix is always placed before the vowel (<2> before last vowel and <1> before 2nd-to-last vowel).

Irayo nìmun, ma 'eylan. :)

Alyara Arati

Also ma tsmuke, *confusion* lu "yayayr".

Lrrtok sivi nga, ma 'eylan! :D
Learn how to see.  Realize that everything connects to everything else.
~ Leonardo da Vinci

Sireayä mokri

Quote from: Ftxavanga Txe′lan on May 19, 2011, 07:57:41 PM
Ngay! Tswalma' oel fì'ut, irayo. :) Zene ziverok!
...
Oh, tsolam! Irayo nìtxan. :D Mekeyey oeyä hiyìk lu - amomum eyawra fya'ot, slä pamrel sami mekeyeyitur. Skxakep lun lu yayayr mìkam <us> sì <am>. :) 

Fte sleykivu 'upxaret eyawr nìwotx :)
When the mirror speaks, the reflection lies.

Ftxavanga Txe′lan

Quote from: Alyara Arati on May 20, 2011, 08:25:16 AM
Also ma tsmuke, *confusion* lu "yayayr".

Lrrtok sivi nga, ma 'eylan! :D

Oh, tswalma' fì'ut! :D Lu tsa "mipa" lì'ut srak?

Quote from: Sireayä mokri on May 20, 2011, 08:51:59 AM
Quote from: Ftxavanga Txe′lan on May 19, 2011, 07:57:41 PM
Ngay! Tswalma' oel fì'ut, irayo. :) Zene ziverok!
...
Oh, tsolam! Irayo nìtxan. :D Mekeyey oeyä hiyìk lu - amomum eyawra fya'ot, slä pamrel sami mekeyeyitur. Skxakep lun lu yayayr mìkam <us> sì <am>. :) 

Fte sleykivu 'upxaret eyawr nìwotx :)

Txantsan! :) Kea keyey nìhawng hrh. :3