Sìpängkxo ta ayrel arusikx alu Uniltìrantokx

Started by Blue Elf, May 17, 2011, 05:03:07 PM

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Blue Elf

In this thread I'd like to translate a few dialogs from Avatar movie, which are interesting or favorite for me for any reason.
First one is also for meditation about our world. Read and think....

Tsyeyk za'u ne Vitra utral, tsaheyl si tsahu ulte plltxe Eywaru:
- Kxawm plltxe oe utralhu nì'aw. Slä txo ngal tok fìtsenget, zene piveng ngaru san Nari si!
Txo Kìreysel tok tsengit 'awsiteng ngahu, tìng nari peyä okur.
Ngal tsaye'a kifkeyt a tsengftu ayoe zama'u. Tsatseng ke lu kea ewll arìkean.
Ayfol tspamängang sneyä nawma sa'nokit alu Gaia. Ulte fìtsengìri ayfo kem sayängi nìtengfya.
Lahea sawtute zaya'u. Zalyup ftu taw na tompa a kawkrr ke 'i'a, txo ayoe ke tìftang si foru...
Tse, lunori ngal ftxamey oeti. Oel tok fìtsenget ulte tsam sasyi, ngal omum (tsat). Slä oel srungit kayin.

Neytiri zera'u ulte plltxe:
- Nawma Sa'nok srung ke seri kawturu, ma Tsyeyk. Taluna po tìhawnu si rey'engur nì'aw.

Tsyeyk 'eyng:
- Srane. Slä oe zamene fmivi tsat.


Edit: fixed mistakes. Some Inspirata's corrections refused as Czech and English text differs a little, however meaning remains correct.
Oe lu skxawng skxakep. Slä oe nerume mi.
"Oe tasyätxaw ulte koren za'u oehu" (Limonádový Joe)


Alyara Arati

Very deft!  This scene is a favorite of mine as well.  Slä oel newomum lun a ngal samar lì'ut alu kxawm tup lì'ut alu skxakep sngä'ikrr.
Learn how to see.  Realize that everything connects to everything else.
~ Leonardo da Vinci

Blue Elf

Tìpawn eltur tìtxen si. I think that both words can be used, they have close meaning. Maybe reason is that I used Czech dubbing for my translation, which can be a little inaccurate, I haven't seen English original (yet).
Oe lu skxawng skxakep. Slä oe nerume mi.
"Oe tasyätxaw ulte koren za'u oehu" (Limonádový Joe)


'Oma Tirea

Quote from: Blue Elf on May 17, 2011, 05:03:07 PM
Kìrìysì

Are you speaking of Chris?  Which Chris?

The allophony of Grace is either Kìreyse or Kìreysì (I prefer the former even though Frommer has used the latter)

[img]http://swokaikran.skxawng.lu/sigbar/nwotd.php?p=2b[/img]

ÌTXTSTXRR!!

Srake serar le'Ìnglìsìa lì'fyayä aylì'ut?  Nari si älofoniru rutxe!!

'Oma Tirea

Quote from: Blue Elf on May 17, 2011, 05:03:07 PM
In this thread I'd like to translate a few dialogs from Avatar movie, which are interesting or favorite for me for any reason.
First one is also for meditation about our world. Read and think....

Tseyk za'u ne Vitra utral, tsaheyl si tsahu ulte plltxe Eywaru:
- Kxawm plltxe oe utralhu nì'aw. Slä txo ngal tok fìtsenget, zene piveng ngaru san Nari si!
Txo Kìrìysì tok tsengit 'awsiteng ngahu, tìng nari peyä okur.
Ngal tsaye'a kifkeyt a tsengftu ayoe zama'u. Tsatseng ke lu kea ewll arìkean.
Ayfol tspamängang feyä nawma sa'nokit alu Gaiati. Ulte fìtsengìri ayfo kem sayängi nìteng.
Lahea sawtute zaya'u. Zalyup ftu taw na tompa a kawkrr ke 'i'a, txo ayoel ke ftang tìftang si foru...
Tse, ngal ftxayey oeti fpi luno. Oel tok fìtsenget ulte tsam sasyi, nga omum. Slä oel srungit kayin.

Neytiri zera'u ulte plltxe:
- Nawma Sa'nok srung ke seri kawturu ke ftxey fongut, ma Tsyeyk. Taluna pol fmeral tìhawnu si rey'engur nì'aw.

Sìltsan, if I do seyso myself (keyey noted...) ;)

[img]http://swokaikran.skxawng.lu/sigbar/nwotd.php?p=2b[/img]

ÌTXTSTXRR!!

Srake serar le'Ìnglìsìa lì'fyayä aylì'ut?  Nari si älofoniru rutxe!!

Blue Elf

About names - I found them somewhere in this forum, but didn't check whether they're correct or not, oeru hìtxoa. Fixed.

This: tìftang si foru sounds very strange to me - why such construction when we have ftang?
Oe lu skxawng skxakep. Slä oe nerume mi.
"Oe tasyätxaw ulte koren za'u oehu" (Limonádový Joe)


Sireayä mokri

Quote from: Blue Elf on May 18, 2011, 05:19:12 AM
This: tìftang si foru sounds very strange to me - why such construction when we have ftang?

Because ftang is intransitive. There was a question about whether or not we can use <eyk> with it to avoid si+dative construction, but Frommer has not said anything about it (btw, it should be tìftang ke si).

Couple of more corrections:


  • Txo Kìrìysìl tok tsengit
  • Ayfol tspamängang feyä sneyä nawma sa'nokit alu Gaiati.
  • fìtsengìri ayfo kem sayängi nìtengfya.
  • Tse, lunori ngal ftxayey oeti fpi luno.
  • Oel tok fìtsenget ulte tsam sasyi, ngal omum [tsat].
When the mirror speaks, the reflection lies.

Blue Elf

Quote from: Sireayä mokri on May 18, 2011, 09:00:30 AM
Because ftang is intransitive. There was a question about whether or not we can use <eyk> with it to avoid si+dative construction, but Frommer has not said anything about it (btw, it should be tìftang ke si).
What about fpak? Not marked as transitive not intransitive, but I have seen it used as transitive:
txura eyktan zaya'u, ayvrrtepit fpayak afkew

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  • Tse, lunori ngal ftxayey oeti fpi luno.
Typo, same as in Czech. Fixed
Oe lu skxawng skxakep. Slä oe nerume mi.
"Oe tasyätxaw ulte koren za'u oehu" (Limonádový Joe)


Sireayä mokri

Quote from: Blue Elf on May 18, 2011, 02:28:36 PM
What about fpak? Not marked as transitive not intransitive, but I have seen it used as transitive:
txura eyktan zaya'u, ayvrrtepit fpayak afkew

Where's this sentence from?
When the mirror speaks, the reflection lies.

Blue Elf

Quote from: Sireayä mokri on May 19, 2011, 08:07:46 AM
Quote from: Blue Elf on May 18, 2011, 02:28:36 PM
What about fpak? Not marked as transitive not intransitive, but I have seen it used as transitive:
txura eyktan zaya'u, ayvrrtepit fpayak afkew

Where's this sentence from?
Song about Avatar
Oe lu skxawng skxakep. Slä oe nerume mi.
"Oe tasyätxaw ulte koren za'u oehu" (Limonádový Joe)


Sireayä mokri

Then I suppose it's not canonical*, thus we can't really rely on that. Anyway, tìftang si is perfectly fine, so there's no need to avoid using that ;)
When the mirror speaks, the reflection lies.

Blue Elf

Quote from: Sireayä mokri on May 19, 2011, 09:07:12 AM
Then I suppose it's not canonical*, thus we can't really rely on that. Anyway, tìftang si is perfectly fine, so there's no need to avoid using that ;)
I didn't say i don't want to use it :) I read about it in language updates section, so no problem for me. I'm just searching for possible alternatives. In fact I didn't found any example in corpus nor canon with fpak, so I'm in doubts if I even can use it in this context (not matter if transitively on intransitively). Have you any examples of fpak to see how it works?
Oe lu skxawng skxakep. Slä oe nerume mi.
"Oe tasyätxaw ulte koren za'u oehu" (Limonádový Joe)


Sireayä mokri

No, I haven't seen any, but I think it was probably used somewhere in the game.
When the mirror speaks, the reflection lies.

Blue Elf

#13
Tìpängkxo amuve (sunu oeru frato):

Krr a Tsyeyk slamu Na'viyä hapxì, po kä 'awsiteng Neytirihu ne ayutral aymokriyä.
Neytiri terul nì'awve, Tseyk terul uo poe ulte fmeri stivä'nì peyä kxetset. Mefo hangham.
Eo utral mefol luke tìkan hentenit tsweykayon netohultstxem ayhentenit a tswayon neto.

Neytiri tsaheyl si utralhu ulte plltxe:
- Fìtsenge ayoe ätxäle si. Ulte krro krro Eywa tìng mikyun fìätxäleru. Fayutralur fko syaw ayutral aymokriyä. Aymokrìl frapizayuä ayoeyä tok fayutralit.

Tsyeyk tsaheyl si nìtengfya ulte stawm famoti.
Poan plltxe: - Oel tsat stawm.
Poe 'eyng: - Fo rey, ma Tsyeyk. Rey mì Eywa. Nga lu Omatikaya set. Nga tsun ngivop ngeyä tskoti ta vul Kelutralä. Ulte ... nga tsun ftxivey tutét (Neytiri ftang lrrtok sivi. Atokirina' zera'u ulte Neytiril munge tsati nemfa mesyokx). Ayoer lu pxaya tutét atxantsan. Nìnat rol nìltsan frato.
- Slä oel ke new Nìnatit. (Neytiri lrrtok si ulte poel lonu atokirina'it)
- Peyral tsun nìltsan tivaron.
- Srane, poe tsun tivaron nìltsan. (Neytiri slìyu akeftxo nìmun.) Oel li ftxoley. Slä tsatuté zene ftxivey nìtengfya oeti.

Neytiri lrrtok si:
- Poel nìtengfya li ftxoley.
Mefo pom 'awsiteng ...


Edit: mistakes fixed
Oe lu skxawng skxakep. Slä oe nerume mi.
"Oe tasyätxaw ulte koren za'u oehu" (Limonádový Joe)


Alyara Arati

Txantsan nìmun!  This is another favorite of mine.  I am not very good at catching mistakes, but:

...fmeri stivänì peyä kxetset.

Also "Mefo päpom 'awsiteng..." sounds very strange to me.
Learn how to see.  Realize that everything connects to everything else.
~ Leonardo da Vinci

Blue Elf

Quote from: Alyara Arati on May 23, 2011, 05:00:08 PM
Txantsan nìmun!  This is another favorite of mine.  I am not very good at catching mistakes, but:

...fmeri stivänì peyä kxetset.
Thanks, fixed.
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Also "Mefo päpom 'awsiteng..." sounds very strange to me.
..ìììì... well, this way it works in Czech (only?), meaning should be "They kissed each other", but I have no idea how to say it. Maybe: Poanìl pom poeti sì nìwä. But it is even more strange.
Oe lu skxawng skxakep. Slä oe nerume mi.
"Oe tasyätxaw ulte koren za'u oehu" (Limonádový Joe)


Sireayä mokri

Tam:

Quote from: Blue Elf on May 23, 2011, 03:37:39 PM
Krr a Tsyeyk slamu Na'viyä hapxì, po kä 'awsiteng Neytirihu ne ayutral aymokriyä.
Neytiri terul 'awve, Tseyk terul uo poe ulte fmeri stivä'nì peyä kxetset. Mefo hangham.
Eo utral mefol hultstxem ayhentenit a tswayon neto.

Neytiri tsaheyl si utralhu ulte plltxe:
- Fìtsenge ayoe ätxäle si. Ulte krro krro Eywa tìng mikyun fìätxäleru. Fayutralur fkol syaw ayutral aymokriyä. Aymokrìl frapoä pizayuä ayoeyä tok fayutralit.

Tsyeyk tsaheyl si nìtengfya ulte stawm famoti.
Poan plltxe: - Oel tsat stawm.
Poe 'eyng: - Fo lu rusey* rey, ma Tsyeyk. Rey mì Eywa. Nga lu Omatikaya set. Nga tsun ngivop oeyä ngeyä tskoti ta vul Kelutralä. Ulte ... nga tsun ftxivey tutét (Neytiri ftang lrrtok sivi. Atokirina' zera'u ulte Neytiril munge tsati nemfa mesyokx). Ayoer lu pxaya tutét atxantsan. Nìnat rol snìltsan frato.
- Slä oel ke new Nìnatit. (Neytiri lrrtok si ulte poel lonu atokirina'it)
- Peyral tsun nìltsan tivaron.
- Srane, poe tsun tivaron nìltsan. (Neytiri slìyu akeftxo nìmun.) Oel li ftxoley. Slä tsatuté zene ftxivey nìtengfya oeti.

Neytiri lrrtok si:
- Poel nìtengfya li ftxoley.
Mefo päpom 'awsiteng ...


As for mefo päpom, it would probably mean they kiss themselves, not each other. Maybe leave just mefo pom for now?
When the mirror speaks, the reflection lies.

Tswusayona Tsamsiyu

and how the heck are you gonna describe what they do then???!!
Nivume Na'vit, fpivìl nìNa'vi, kivame na Na'vi.....
oer fko syaw tswusayona tsamsiyu

Sireayä mokri

When the mirror speaks, the reflection lies.

Blue Elf

why "Neytiri terul nì'awve, ..." ? She doesn't run first time, but first in sequence
About hultstxem I agree, but didn't found something better...

Quoteand how the heck are you gonna describe what they do then???!!
They don't speak too much then, so nothing to translate :) But feel free to continue, if you want  ;D
Oe lu skxawng skxakep. Slä oe nerume mi.
"Oe tasyätxaw ulte koren za'u oehu" (Limonádový Joe)