Teri Frafalew

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Blue Elf

Kaltxì, ma eylan.
I'd like to present something I didn't seen here yet - fairy tale. It is translation of Gruffalo. My children like it in both Czech and English, so it is time to try another language. :) My work is not finished yet, but I want to share first part as I'm curious to your reactions.
First, some linguistic thoughts, as there are some words we do not have in dictionary:

Character names
Gruffalo -> this breaks phonotactic rules, so I used phonetic transcription with correction: Frafalew
Owl   -> Riti
Fox   -> Fokse (taken from this thread)
Snake -> Tsawlangawng (compound word from tsawl + ngawng)
Mouse -> phonetic transcription used: mawse

Missing words and phrases:
tusk -> no replacement, omitted
claw -> translated as pxia zekwä - sharp finger
his favorite food is xx -> translated as syuve alu xx lu ftxìlor poru frato - food by other word xx is delicious for him most of all
knobbly knees -> translated as letskxea ayhinamtil - stone knees
turned-out toes -> translated as ayvenzek amawnìn nìwä
prickles -> transribed as ewllä pxia ayvultsyìp - sharp little branches of the plants. Quite long and unwieldy, however I need it. Irayo si, ma Tanri for proposal.
nut -> translated as txa'a fkxen - hard vegetable

Text contains too much direct speech, so I used standard "" signs instead of correct san..sìk pair for beter readability. Now we know everything we need, so enough of English, pamrel sivi nìNa'vi


Tìng mikyun vurur teri Frafalew, ma eveng, ulte fnu fu Frafalewìl yayom ayngati!
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Mawse kolä kxamlä apxa na'rìng avawm.
Foksel mawset tsole'a ulte mawse lolam sìltsan.
"Ne peseng kä, ma kllvawma mawse ahì'i? Za'u ulte yom oehu mì oeyä kelku äo kllte."
"Nga tstunwi lu nìtxan, ma Fokse, slä kehe, oel yayom wutsot hu Frafalew."

"Hu Frafalew, srak? Pesu lu Frafalew?"
"Ngaru ke smon po, srak? Poru lu pxia ayzekwä akawng sì aysre' akawng mì feyä kxa akawng."

"Peseng ultxa sayi pohu?"
"Fìtseng lok ayskxe ulte syuve alu fokse lu ftxìlor poru frato."

"Pol yom ayfokseti!" Fokse zolawng, "kìyevame, ma hì'ia mawse", ulte Fokse neto kolä nìwin.
"Snumìna Fokse akoak! Pol ke omum futa ke lu kea swirä na Frafalew!"

Mawse kolä kxamlä txukxa na'rìng avawm.
Ritil mawset tsole'a ulte mawse lolam sìltsan.
"Ne peseng kä, ma kllvawma mawse ahì'i? Za'u ulte näk oehu mì oeyä kelku mì utral."
"Nga tstunwi lu nìtxan, ma Riti, slä kehe, oel nayäk naerit hu Frafalew."

"Hu Frafalew, srak? Pesu lu Frafalew?"
"Ngaru ke smon po, srak? Poru lu letskxea ayhinamtil sì ayvenzek amawnìn nìwä sì txum ro feyä ontu."

"Peseng ultxa sayi pohu?"
"Tsatseng lok payfya ulte syuve alu riti lu ftxìlor poru frato."

"Oh, pol yom ayriti, srak? Kìyevame, ma hì'ia mawse", ulte Riti neto tswolayon.
"Snumìna Riti akoak! Pol ke omum futa ke lu kea swirä na Frafalew!"

Mawse kolä kxamlä txukxa na'rìng arìkean.
Tsawlangawngìl mawset tsole'a ulte mawse lolam sìltsan.
"Ne peseng kä, ma kllvawma mawse ahì'i? Za'u ulte lu ngaru ftxozä oehu mì oeyä kelku."
"Nga tstunwi lu nìtxan, ma Tsawlangawng, slä kehe, oeru layu ftxozä hu Frafalew."

"Hu Frafalew, srak? Pesu lu Frafalew?"
"Ngaru ke smon po, srak? Peyä menari lu tun, peyä ftxì lu layon ulte poru lu ewllä pxia ayvultsyìp a'om ka txal lewotx.

"Peseng ultxa sayi pohu?"
"Fìtseng lok 'ora ulte syuve alu tsawlangawng lu ftxìlor poru frato."

"Oh, pol yayom oeti! Oe zene wivan set! Kìyevame ma hì'ia mawse", ulte Tsawlangawng neto kolä.
"Snumìna Tsawlangawng akoak! Pol ke omum futa ke lu kawtu na Fraf.... Oahhh!"
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Pelun mawse sngìmä'i txopu sivi? Awnga lu lenomum? Var!
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Slä pesu lu fìswirä a poru lu pxia ayzekwä sì aysre' akawng mì feyä kawnga kxa?
Poru lu letskxea ayhinamtil sì ayvenzek amawnìn nìwä sì txum ro feyä ontu.
Peyä menari lu tun, peyä ftxì lu layon ulte poru lu ewllä pxia ayvultsyìp a'om ka txal lewotx.
"Kehe! Srung si oeru!! Fìpo lu... FRAFALEW !!!!!"

"Nga lu syuve oeyä", Frafalew poltxe. "Lìmu ftxìlor hu tsyosyu."
"Ftxìlor, srak?" mawse poltxe, "rä'ä syaw fìfya oeru! Oe lu kawnga swirä frato mì fìna'rìng. Tìran ngahu ulte ngal tsìye'a tsat ye'rìn, oeri frapo txopu si."
"Nìlaw," 'eyng Frafalew, tengkrr holangham. "Eyk oeti ìlä fya'o ulte oe kä ngahu."

Mefo tolìran ulte tolìran vaykrr Frafalew poltxe:
"Oel stawm pamoti lok kllte."
"Fìpo lu Tsawlangawng," mawse 'eyng, "kaltxì ma Tsawlangawng."

Tsawlangawngìl nolìn Frafalewti.
"Ma Eywa!" po poltxe, "kìyevame ma hì'ia mawse" ulte po kolä ne peyä kelku.
"Ngal tse'a tsat, srak?", plltxe mawse. "Oel poleng ngaru tsat."
"Tsawl," 'eyng Frafalew.

Mefo tolìran nì'it nì'ul vaykrr Frafalew poltxe:
"Oel stawm pamoti mì ayutral eo oeng."
"Fìpo lu Riti," mawse 'eyng, "kaltxì ma Riti."

Ritil nolìn Frafalewti fa 'awa nari.
"Hooo!" po poltxe, "kìyevame ma hì'ia mawse" ulte po tswolayon ne peyä kelku mì utral.
"Ngal tse'a tsat, srak?", plltxe mawse. "Oel poleng ngaru tsat."
"Wou," 'eyng Frafalew.

Mefo tolìran nì'it nì'ul vaykrr Frafalew plltxe:
"Oel stawm pamoti mì fya'o eo oeng."
"Fìpo lu Fokse," mawse 'eyng, "kaltxì ma Fokse."

Fokse nolìn Frafalewti fa 'awa nari.
"Srung si oeru," poltxe Fokse, "kìyevame ma hì'ia mawse" ulte po tolul ne peyä kelku.
"Tse, ma Frafalew," plltxe mawse, "tse'a tsat, srak? Oeri frapo txopu si!
Slä set oeyä ngäng sngerä'i 'ivefu ohakx ulte nga lu ftxìlora syuve oeyä!"

"Oh, mawsel yìsyom oeti!", Frafalew zolawng ulte na hufwe a tul nìwin po molìn ulte neto tolul.

Fra'u fnu mì tukxa na'rìng arìkean. Mawsel rolun txa'a fkxenit ulte fkxen sìltsan lu.
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Txon lefpom set, ma evi ulte hivahaw nìmwey.

Edit: first part mistakes fixed, finished translation. Second part corrected. Small changes to remove two srak (too many of them are here)
Oe lu skxawng skxakep. Slä oe nerume mi.
"Oe tasyätxaw ulte koren za'u oehu" (Limonádový Joe)


Alyara Arati

Ooo, *cliffhanger* lu!  Sunu oeru nìtxan! :)
Learn how to see.  Realize that everything connects to everything else.
~ Leonardo da Vinci

Sireayä mokri

Tse, txantsana säfpìl lamu ngar ma 'eylan. Tìralpeng lu sìltsan, slä fpìl oel futa zene oe wivìntxu ngaru 'a'awa kxeyeyti:

Quote from: Blue Elf on May 13, 2011, 04:20:29 PMNe peseng kä

You can put peseng right after if you want to avoid using the adposition.

Quote from: Blue Elf on May 13, 2011, 04:20:29 PMPelun, ngaru ke smon?

As it is now, it sounds weird to me. So I think you can either extend the phrase a little: pelun pawm nga? Ngaru ke smon po srak? or just remove pelun (keeping srak, of course).

Quote from: Blue Elf on May 13, 2011, 04:20:29 PMPeseng ultxa sayi poruhu?

It's hu with ultxa si.

Quote from: Blue Elf on May 13, 2011, 04:20:29 PMPol ke omum futa ke lu kea swirä na Frafalew, srak?

General question.

Quote from: Blue Elf on May 13, 2011, 04:20:29 PMletskxea ayhinamtil

To make an adjective.

Kop fpìl oel futa tsun nga sivung lì'ut alu frato lì'fyaviru alu syuve alu X lu ftxìlor poru.

Haya hapxìri perey oe :)
When the mirror speaks, the reflection lies.

Kamean

Txantsana tìralpeng, suneiu oer. :)
Tse'a ngal ke'ut a krr fra'uti kame.


Tswusayona Tsamsiyu

txantsan ma tsmuk! ralpoleng nìltsan. :)
sunu oeru fìmawse atxantslusam.
Nivume Na'vit, fpivìl nìNa'vi, kivame na Na'vi.....
oer fko syaw tswusayona tsamsiyu

Blue Elf

Quote from: Sireayä mokri on May 14, 2011, 09:02:38 AM
Tse, txantsana säfpìl lamu ngar ma 'eylan. Tìralpeng lu sìltsan, slä fpìl oel futa zene oe wivìntxu ngaru 'a'awa kxeyeyti:
Oel ke pamey futa kea kxexey fìvurmì ke lu
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Quote from: Blue Elf on May 13, 2011, 04:20:29 PMNe peseng kä

You can put peseng right after if you want to avoid using the adposition.
Ahh, wrong word order. I'll use adposition, it looks more uderstandable
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Quote from: Blue Elf on May 13, 2011, 04:20:29 PMPelun, ngaru ke smon?

As it is now, it sounds weird to me. So I think you can either extend the phrase a little: pelun pawm nga? Ngaru ke smon po srak? or just remove pelun (keeping srak, of course).
Srane, it sounds weird even in original text. I didn't know why it was used, so I simply translated it. Will be removed.
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Quote from: Blue Elf on May 13, 2011, 04:20:29 PMPeseng ultxa sayi poruhu?

It's hu with ultxa si.
My popular mistake :)
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Quote from: Blue Elf on May 13, 2011, 04:20:29 PMPol ke omum futa ke lu kea swirä na Frafalew, srak?

General question.
I always thought that "srak" is optional, are there any guidelines for this?
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Quote from: Blue Elf on May 13, 2011, 04:20:29 PMletskxea ayhinamtil

To make an adjective.

Kop fpìl oel futa tsun nga sivung lì'ut alu frato lì'fyaviru alu syuve alu X lu ftxìlor poru.
säfpìl asìltsan, will be used

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Haya hapxìri perey oe :)
Zìya'u ye'rìn  :)
Oe lu skxawng skxakep. Slä oe nerume mi.
"Oe tasyätxaw ulte koren za'u oehu" (Limonádový Joe)


Sireayä mokri

Quote from: Blue Elf on May 14, 2011, 01:46:02 PM
Oel ke pamey futa kea kxexey fìvurmì ke lu

Lam fwa kemlì'u alu pey ke lu *transitive*, ha sar *topic*it: furia kea kxexey fìvurmì ke lu, oe ke pamey.

Quote from: Blue Elf on May 14, 2011, 01:46:02 PM
I always thought that "srak" is optional, are there any guidelines for this?

Srak(e) is always used with general questions, i.e. questions that can be answered with yes or no.

Quote from: Blue Elf on May 14, 2011, 01:46:02 PM
Zìya'u ye'rìn  :)

Txantsan :)
When the mirror speaks, the reflection lies.

Kamean

Tse'a ngal ke'ut a krr fra'uti kame.


Blue Elf

Quote from: Sireayä mokri on May 14, 2011, 01:55:54 PM
Quote from: Blue Elf on May 14, 2011, 01:46:02 PM
Oel ke pamey futa kea kxexey fìvurmì ke lu

Lam fwa kemlì'u alu pey ke lu *transitive*, ha sar *topic*it: furia kea kxexey fìvurmì ke lu, oe ke pamey.
Dictionary doesn't mark transitivity, so it should be ditransitive?
Oe lu skxawng skxakep. Slä oe nerume mi.
"Oe tasyätxaw ulte koren za'u oehu" (Limonádový Joe)


Kamean

It may be not fully defined.
Tse'a ngal ke'ut a krr fra'uti kame.


Alyara Arati

Quote from: Blue Elf on May 14, 2011, 01:46:02 PM
Quote from: Sireayä mokri on May 14, 2011, 09:02:38 AM
Quote from: Blue Elf on May 13, 2011, 04:20:29 PMPelun, ngaru ke smon?

As it is now, it sounds weird to me. So I think you can either extend the phrase a little: pelun pawm nga? Ngaru ke smon po srak? or just remove pelun (keeping srak, of course).
Srane, it sounds weird even in original text. I didn't know why it was used, so I simply translated it. Will be removed.

In English, in this context "Why, don't you know him?", "why" is more an exclamation of "oh my!" than an actual question word.  The construction is a little old fashioned, though.  I think you're probably wise just to remove it.
Learn how to see.  Realize that everything connects to everything else.
~ Leonardo da Vinci

Blue Elf

Irayo si fpi tìoeyktìng, ma Alyara.
Tìralpeng hasey soli, 'upxare 'awve zoloslu. *Read & enjoy* :)

Oe lu skxawng skxakep. Slä oe nerume mi.
"Oe tasyätxaw ulte koren za'u oehu" (Limonádový Joe)


Alyara Arati

Kanua mawse nìtxan! ;D
Learn how to see.  Realize that everything connects to everything else.
~ Leonardo da Vinci

Puvomun

Quote from: Alyara Arati on May 14, 2011, 02:34:34 PM
In English, in this context "Why, don't you know him?", "why" is more an exclamation of "oh my!" than an actual question word.  The construction is a little old fashioned, though.  I think you're probably wise just to remove it.

Srane. Someone once wrote to me "Pelun irayo" which had me puzzled until I figured out she probably meant "why thank you".  :-\
Krr a lì'fya lam sraw, may' frivìp utralit.

Ngopyu ayvurä.

Tswusayona Tsamsiyu

you can exchange pelun with peu. the "why" is, as Alyara said, a kind of exclamation of surprise. it is pretty old fashioned. you can see it in other old stories like for example "Winnie the Pooh". :)

Quote from: Blue Elf on May 14, 2011, 05:28:05 PM
Irayo si fpi tìoeyktìngìri, ma Alyara.
Tìralpengur hasey soli, 'upxare a'awve zoloslolu. *Read & enjoy* :)
Nivume Na'vit, fpivìl nìNa'vi, kivame na Na'vi.....
oer fko syaw tswusayona tsamsiyu

Sireayä mokri

Quote from: Blue Elf on May 14, 2011, 02:32:01 PM
Dictionary doesn't mark transitivity, so it should be ditransitive?

We lack information on that right now, but it seems best to stick to the way Frommer used it recently (intransitively, with topic).

Couple of more corrections:

Quote from: Blue Elf on May 13, 2011, 04:20:29 PMfrapo txopu si oeru

Should be oeri frapo txopu si.

Quote from: Blue Elf on May 13, 2011, 04:20:29 PMTsawlangawng tolìng nari ro Frafalewru.

Tìng nari works with dative. But I'd suggest to use nìn instead.

Quote from: Blue Elf on May 13, 2011, 04:20:29 PMFra'u fnu mì txukxa na'rìng arìkean.

Lenition.

Tse, seysonìltsan ma tsmukan. Eltur tìtxen si nìngay a vur leiu :)
When the mirror speaks, the reflection lies.

Blue Elf

Zoslolu. Keyeyri oe irayo seiyi, ma Sireayä mokri, taluna ngal rolun tsayt.
Oe lu skxawng skxakep. Slä oe nerume mi.
"Oe tasyätxaw ulte koren za'u oehu" (Limonádový Joe)


Blue Elf

Quote from: Sireayä mokri on May 14, 2011, 01:55:54 PM
Quote from: Blue Elf on May 14, 2011, 01:46:02 PM
I always thought that "srak" is optional, are there any guidelines for this?

Srak(e) is always used with general questions, i.e. questions that can be answered with yes or no.
Is there any document about this? I'd like to see it black on white :)
Oe lu skxawng skxakep. Slä oe nerume mi.
"Oe tasyätxaw ulte koren za'u oehu" (Limonádový Joe)


Puvomun

Quote from: Blue Elf on May 16, 2011, 01:50:56 AM
Quote from: Sireayä mokri on May 14, 2011, 01:55:54 PM
Quote from: Blue Elf on May 14, 2011, 01:46:02 PM
I always thought that "srak" is optional, are there any guidelines for this?

Srak(e) is always used with general questions, i.e. questions that can be answered with yes or no.
Is there any document about this? I'd like to see it black on white :)

I know not of a document, but I do know that srake is made of srane and kehe. Srak for short. Le'eylan once said something along those lines in one of the NgayNume classes.
Krr a lì'fya lam sraw, may' frivìp utralit.

Ngopyu ayvurä.

Tswusayona Tsamsiyu

Quote from: Blue Elf on May 15, 2011, 03:00:14 PM
Zoslolu. Keyeyri oe irayo seiyi, ma Sireayä mokri, taluna ngal rolun tsayt.
it's (ay)sat.
Nivume Na'vit, fpivìl nìNa'vi, kivame na Na'vi.....
oer fko syaw tswusayona tsamsiyu