Tsa’u lu peu?

Tanri · May 28, 2011, 01:33:07 PM

Lu teyr krr a tsawke atan seri,
lu ngul krr a taw leru tstu.

Rikx na'rìngìri nìk'ong nìwansì,
rikx txayori nìwin sì nìfya'o atsuktse'a.

Tsawlhì' lu tsaru slä fkol ke tsun 'ivampi,
ontumì fkol 'efu tsat, slä ke lu kea fahew.

Tsa'u terung taronyur fte stivä'nì smarit sngeyä,
tengfya fte ayswirä tsivun wiväpan taronyuwä.

Tsun fkol tsive'a tsat 'Rrtaro nìteng Eywa'evengro,
slä ro 'Rrta sawtute tsun leykivu tsat vä' sì tsewtx,
tengkrr Eywa'evengro tsa'u fkeytok laro sì lor nì'aw.

Tsa'u lu peu?

Kamean · May 28, 2011, 01:58:15 PM

Quote from: Tanri on May 28, 2011, 01:33:07 PM
Na'rìngìri rikx nìk'ong nìwansì,
Txayori rikx nìwin sì nìfya'o atsuktse'a.

Topisal should put in the beginning of the sentence.

Sireayä mokri · May 29, 2011, 09:29:30 AM

Quote from: Tanri on May 28, 2011, 01:33:07 PM
Tsa'ul terung taronyur futa stivä'nì smarit sngeyä,
nìtengfya futa ayswirä tsivun wiväpivan taronyuwä.

Tsun fkol tsive'a tsat 'Rrtaromì nìteng Eywa'evengromì,
slä mì 'Rrta sawtute tsun sleykivu tsat vä' sì tsewtx,
tengkrr Eywa'evengmì tsa'u fkeytok nìlaro sì nìlor nì'aw.

Tsa'u lu peu?

I kept "fkol" in modal syntax, assuming it's acceptable for this type of writing.

Quote from: Kamean on May 28, 2011, 01:58:15 PM
Quote from: Tanri on May 28, 2011, 01:33:07 PM
Na'rìngìri rikx nìk'ong nìwansì,
Txayori rikx nìwin sì nìfya'o atsuktse'a.
Topical should put in the beginning of the sentence.

Again, should be fine here.

Tse, sìltsana tìpawm leiu. Tsaw lam na ya (fu hufwe), slä lu oeru yayayr...

Blue Elf · May 29, 2011, 02:16:19 PM

Txantsan!
'awa kxeyey ahì'i a tsun tsive'a: ... stivä'nì smarit sngeyä

Tsa'u lu peu? Ngäzìka tì'eyng.... Oe fperìl tsateri, slä kea säfpìl ke zera'u $:-\$
Ke fperìl oel futa tsa'u lu hufwe, taluna hufwer ke lu tsawlhì fu 'opin. Tsa'u zene livu lahea 'u - slä oel ke omum fnelit tsa'uä.
Tìng ayoeru krrit nì'ul, ma Tanri

Tswusayona Tsamsiyu · May 29, 2011, 02:29:11 PM

my guess: it's nature.

yawne lu oer fìsäfpìl a "riddle".

Blue Elf · May 29, 2011, 02:41:59 PM

ìììììììì....., säpfìl zola'u

Nì'awve fpolìl oel futa tsa'u lu pìwopx, slä tsa ke tsun livu tì'eyng amuiä.

Oeyä 'en lu....

Spoiler

Lu oeru tìyawr fu keyawr? Newomum oe !

Tswusayona Tsamsiyu · May 29, 2011, 02:49:37 PM

fu kxawm lu ya. $:-\$ $:-\$ $:-\$

Tanri · May 29, 2011, 03:44:44 PM

Quote from: Blue Elf on May 29, 2011, 02:41:59 PM
ìììììììì....., säpfìl zola'u
Nì'awve fpolìl oel futa tsa'u lu pìwopx, slä tsa ke tsun livu tì'eyng amuiä.
Oeyä 'en lu....
Spoiler
yapay! Fì'ur lu 'opin, rikx nì'kong na'rìngmì sì nìwin txayomì. Fkol tsun 'ivefu tsat fa ontu luke fahew. Tsa'u tìhawnu si saronyur sì ayswirär ulte tsa'u tsun livu vä' 'Rrtamì ulte laro nì'aw mì Eywa'eveng
Lu oeru tìyawr fu keyawr? Newomum oe !

Srane ma Blue Elf, ngaru tìyawr! Aylì'u oeyä poltxe teri yapay.

Alyara Arati · May 29, 2011, 04:01:07 PM

Fì*riddle* lu sìlronsem nìtxan! Tewti. Ulte kanu nga lu ma Blue Elf!

Tanri · May 29, 2011, 05:33:13 PM

Quote from: Sireayä mokri on May 29, 2011, 09:29:30 AM
Quote from: Tanri on May 28, 2011, 01:33:07 PM
Tsa'ul terung taronyur futa stivä'nì smarit sngeyä,
nìtengfya futa ayswirä tsivun wiväpivan taronyuwä.
Tsun fkol tsive'a tsat 'Rrtaromì nìteng Eywa'evengromì,
slä mì 'Rrta sawtute tsun sleykivu tsat vä' sì tsewtx,
tengkrr Eywa'evengmì tsa'u fkeytok nìlaro sì nìlor nì'aw.

Thanks for the corrections, i apologize for these mistakes but the majority of them was intentional

. Let me to explain:
teng - transitivity is unknown, and i even wanted to use specific meaning of fte.
wä / ta - yes, i wanted to say "hide itself from the hunter", but i think that adposition ta cannot be used in such a meaning. Basically, somebody is doing something (hiding itself) "against" the hunter.
ro / mì - these still confuses me, because it was stated that ro is the locative one (it talks about location of something on/at some place). Mì is a more generic in/on adposition.
slu / lu - i wanted to say "people can make it to be unpleasant and dirty", not "can produce/create it unpleasant...". If i put <eyk> into slu, the verb "become" turns into the transitive verb "produce", instead of "make (something) to become (something else)". Definitely, these verbs are tricky and hard to distinguish.
laro / nìlaro - adverb is problematic here, because with adverb the meaning is "that thing exists only cleanly and beautifully", in contrast with "that thing exists (and is) only clean and beautiful".

PS: sorry about this in Na'vi nì'aw thread, but i had no choice. I am not yet fluent in Na'vi to explain this things as in English, and this way it was much faster (for me is already too late, have to wake up 4:40).

Alyara Arati · May 29, 2011, 05:38:33 PM

Quote from: Tanri on May 29, 2011, 05:33:13 PM
PS: sorry about this in Na'vi nì'aw thread, but i had no choice. I am not yet fluent in Na'vi to explain this things as in English, and this way it was much faster (for me is already too late, have to wake up 4:40).

That's quite all right. If you need to explain something in English, that's perfectly permissable.

Blue Elf · May 30, 2011, 12:39:14 AM

Quote from: Tanri on May 29, 2011, 03:44:44 PM
Quote from: Blue Elf on May 29, 2011, 02:41:59 PM
ìììììììì....., säpfìl zola'u
Nì'awve fpolìl oel futa tsa'u lu pìwopx, slä tsa ke tsun livu tì'eyng amuiä.
Oeyä 'en lu....
Spoiler
yapay! Fì'ur lu 'opin, rikx nì'kong na'rìngmì sì nìwin txayomì. Fkol tsun 'ivefu tsat fa ontu luke fahew. Tsa'u tìhawnu si saronyur sì ayswirär ulte tsa'u tsun livu vä' 'Rrtamì ulte laro nì'aw mì Eywa'eveng
Lu oeru tìyawr fu keyawr? Newomum oe !
Srane ma Blue Elf, ngaru tìyawr! Aylì'u oeyä poltxe teri yapay.

Tewti! Set lu rewon pximaw sresrr'ong nì'aw ulte 'awa tìyora' zola'u

Fìtrr lasyu lefpoma trr

Sireayä mokri · May 30, 2011, 07:50:45 AM

Quote from: Tanri on May 29, 2011, 05:33:13 PM
tung - transitivity is unknown, and i even wanted to use specific meaning of fte.

I found this in language updates: tolung fkol futa ftem po.

Quote from: Tanri on May 29, 2011, 05:33:13 PMBasically, somebody is doing something (hiding itself) "against" the hunter.

Not sure it works this way in Na'vi.

Quote from: Tanri on May 29, 2011, 05:33:13 PMro / mì - these still confuses me, because it was stated that ro is the locative one (it talks about location of something on/at some place). Mì is a more generic in/on adposition.

It seems they both work very similarly, but the difference is not yet clear. Anyway, 'Rrtamì is canonical.

Quote from: Tanri on May 29, 2011, 05:33:13 PMslu / lu - i wanted to say "people can make it to be unpleasant and dirty", not "can produce/create it unpleasant...". If i put <eyk> into slu, the verb "become" turns into the transitive verb "produce", instead of "make (something) to become (something else)". Definitely, these verbs are tricky and hard to distinguish.

Sleyku doesn't necessarily mean produce. Xìl Yit sleyku [adjective] is a canonical construction used to say X makes Y [adjective]. Probably can be seen as sort of idiomatic.

Quote from: Tanri on May 29, 2011, 05:33:13 PMlaro / nìlaro - adverb is problematic here, because with adverb the meaning is "that thing exists only cleanly and beautifully", in contrast with "that thing exists (and is) only clean and beautiful".

The problem is with fkeytok which we haven't seen used with adjectives. You can add lu there if you want to say and is.

Tanri · May 30, 2011, 09:11:14 AM

Irayo ma Sireayä mokri,
lì'fyaru leNa'vi lu pxaya 'u a ke li fkol ralpameng sat nìno, ulte lu oeru re'o a txa'

.
Fìmeur 'awsiteng lu ral a lu fwa txo lu awngaru koren lì'fyayä, oe new livek tsakorenit keng txo Karyul Pawl ke li solar tsat.
Txo koreno lam keyawr, spaw oel futa awnga zene leykivatem tsakorenit, tup ke sar tsat.
Omum oel futa fì'u lu säfpìl oeyä nì'aw ulte aylapo ke zene mivllte, slä lu oeru ngäzìk fwa leykatem fpìlfyat oeyä.
(Set oe poltxe nìpxi teri melì'u alu ro sì mì.

)

Sireayä mokri · May 30, 2011, 09:17:32 AM

Lu Pawlur pxaya txele a sa'uri zene po fpivìl nìno, ha krro krro tsun awnga nì'aw pivawm ulte pivey.

Tanri · May 31, 2011, 04:40:15 AM

Srane, mllte oe.
Lu swey fwa ngal tslam aylì'ut oeyä ulte oel tslam pumit ngeyä, hufwa lu oengaru tì'efu aketeng.