Double Suffixes

Started by Evilnerf, December 26, 2009, 10:59:48 PM

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Evilnerf

Can their be two suffixes to a single word?  Such as:

Oe-l twayon ikran-ti-ru

If not, how do you avoid it?

omängum fra'uti

It wouldn't make sense to do double suffixes like that, it would be quite meaningless.
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tute nuereime

i think a better example would be

"person A gave person B's cat a toy"

person A would have -l   toy would have -ti

and would person B have both -ya and -ru or would person B just have -ya and cat would have -ru
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omängum fra'uti

Person B isn't the dative, they aren't getting the toy.  Their cat is.  The cat is the dative, the person possesses the cat.  No double suffixes there.
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Prrton

Quote from: tute nuereime on December 27, 2009, 12:10:12 AM
i think a better example would be

"person A gave person B's cat a toy"

person A would have -l   toy would have -ti

and would person B have both -ya and -ru or would person B just have -ya and cat would have -ru?

person-A.l person-B-yä cat.ru a-toy.ti gave

̉[Neytiri.l] [YeykSulli.yä ikran.ru] [wutso.ti] [tìng].

Neytiri gives Jake Sully's banshee dinner.

And to add in a bit more items/details, but still keep thing in order...

Neytiri (gladly) gave her banshee's fresh dinner to Jake's banshee.

Neytiril poeyä ikranyä wutsoti apxasul YeykSulliyä ikranru toleiìng.

[Neytiri.l] [poe.yä ikran.yä wutso.ti a.pxasul] [YeykSulli.yä ikran.ru] [t.ol.ei.ìng]

[Neytiri.(subject of the action verb, which is at the other end of the sentence)]
[her (belonging to her) <=> banshee's <=> dinner (which is manipulated by the verb) <=(linked by "a" to)=>fresh]
[Jake Sully's <=> banshee.(to/for)]
[gave (past of give, which has the root tìng (with -ol- infixed first) and done happily (with -ei- after -ol-.]

tute nuereime

i found another example but i can be wrong
i want to become part of the omatikaya
oe-ri-hu neu slu omatikaya
oe     -ri       -hu      neu          slu         omatikaya
i       topic    with     want      become    omatikaya
in this case "i" has both -ri and -hu. -ri to siginify topic and -hu to siginify i am "with" the clan but i also think it can be written as
oe-ri neu slu omatikaya-hu
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Prrton

Quote from: tute nuereime on December 27, 2009, 01:02:32 AM
i found another example but i can be wrong
i want to become part of the omatikaya
oe-ri-hu neu slu omatikaya
oe     -ri       -hu      neu          slu         omatikaya
i       topic    with     want      become    omatikaya
in this case "i" has both -ri and -hu. -ri to siginify topic and -hu to siginify i am "with" the clan but i also think it can be written as
oe-ri neu slu omatikaya-hu

I'd suggest:

Oe.ri Omatikaya.yä 'awpo slu neu.

As for me, someone belonging to the Omatikaya, become-want.

PS: If you see neu spelled as new, don't worry. It's probably the same word. Dr. Frommer has recently spelled it that way for public consumption.

tute nuereime

i didn't think of using it like that thanks
so in most situations where you come across a double suffix you can just re write the sentence another way so you don't need it
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omängum fra'uti

If you come across a double suffix to begin with, something is wrong.

oe-ri-hu
With about me

It's nonsensical.
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tute nuereime

like i said "i could of be wrong" and i was but like how would you say "he is with her" and he is the subject. you wouldnt need an -ri to show he is the subject because it is such a small sentence. right?
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omängum fra'uti

Po-an po-e-hu lu
He with-her is.
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tute nuereime

yea so double suffix= wrong
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MidnightLightning

Quote from: omängum fra'uti on December 27, 2009, 01:35:44 AM
Po-an po-e-hu lu
He with-her is.

You've got a double suffix there; the feminine -é and the with adposition -hu. In this case it makes most sense to put the feminine first. I'm thinking the general rule would be putting the masculine/feminine descriptive suffix first, then the conjugative/adposition. Sound right?
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omängum fra'uti

Suffixes like -e and such can be seen more as modifying the word, so po+e becomes poe.  What you can't double up on is case suffix and adposition suffix.  (Or adpositions in general, you can't have a preposition with a case or adposition suffix either.)
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