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Re: Easy Guide to Na'vi Prefixes, Infixes, and Suffixes II
« Reply #100 on: August 17, 2014, 06:39:50 pm »
Is there anything at all whatsoever missing from OP?

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Re: Easy Guide to Na'vi Prefixes, Infixes, and Suffixes II
« Reply #101 on: August 17, 2014, 11:43:54 pm »
As far as I know, we have really every affix there.

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Re: Easy Guide to Na'vi Prefixes, Infixes, and Suffixes II
« Reply #102 on: August 18, 2014, 04:09:59 pm »
Calling out the unproductive affixes separately is a great idea. For instance, I did not realize that -nga' was not productive, and I have used it a couple of times. This is also handy for new word-building, as it makes aware of some useful suffixes to use on new word proposals, that are obscure enough you wouldn't know they were there. I might download the PDF and print it for my Na'vi notes wall above my desk at work.

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Re: Easy Guide to Na'vi Prefixes, Infixes, and Suffixes II
« Reply #103 on: August 18, 2014, 04:17:02 pm »
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-ä Genau wie -yä und -y. Use this for nouns ending in consonants o or u.

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Re: Easy Guide to Na'vi Prefixes, Infixes, and Suffixes II
« Reply #104 on: August 18, 2014, 04:18:28 pm »
HRH! How that could happen? ;D Txoa.

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Re: Easy Guide to Na'vi Prefixes, Infixes, and Suffixes II
« Reply #105 on: August 18, 2014, 04:20:27 pm »
Leykolateiem. Frawzo :)

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Re: Easy Guide to Na'vi Prefixes, Infixes, and Suffixes II
« Reply #106 on: August 18, 2014, 04:24:36 pm »
English PDF file fixed as well :)
http://forum.learnnavi.org/MGalleryItem.php?id=5452


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fray+ is missing!

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Re: Easy Guide to Na'vi Prefixes, Infixes, and Suffixes II
« Reply #107 on: August 19, 2014, 12:42:23 am »
Adding...
Added. :D

Good thing I asked. It seems we really were missing something after all. So for real this time, we have EVERY single affix known.
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Re: Easy Guide to Na'vi Prefixes, Infixes, and Suffixes II
« Reply #108 on: August 30, 2014, 04:05:30 pm »
Ma Tirea,
In the not productive affixes part is missing this one:

        [b]hì-[/b], [b]hì'-[/b] is used in a few words to form diminutives as in [b][color=brown]hì[/color]krr[/b] [i]moment, a short time[/i].

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Re: Easy Guide to Na'vi Prefixes, Infixes, and Suffixes II
« Reply #109 on: August 30, 2014, 04:08:22 pm »
hmmm... Ok. Even though it just feels like etymology of certain existing compound words.

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Re: Easy Guide to Na'vi Prefixes, Infixes, and Suffixes II
« Reply #110 on: August 30, 2014, 05:07:24 pm »
Yes, I agree. It’s so seldom, I wouldn’t even count it as affix… :-\

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Re: Easy Guide to Na'vi Prefixes, Infixes, and Suffixes II
« Reply #111 on: August 30, 2014, 05:15:27 pm »

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Re: Easy Guide to Na'vi Prefixes, Infixes, and Suffixes II
« Reply #112 on: August 30, 2014, 05:25:09 pm »
Compound elements are different than (un)productive affixes…

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Re: Easy Guide to Na'vi Prefixes, Infixes, and Suffixes II
« Reply #113 on: August 30, 2014, 05:25:20 pm »
Yeah, I do even have to wonder why it's there in Horen. :-\

removing from OP..

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Re: Easy Guide to Na'vi Prefixes, Infixes, and Suffixes II
« Reply #114 on: August 30, 2014, 05:31:40 pm »
Still wondering too. :-\
Also removing it from the files plus that german thread op...

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Re: Easy Guide to Na'vi Prefixes, Infixes, and Suffixes II
« Reply #115 on: August 31, 2014, 03:54:10 pm »
Ok, I do know this is quite rare, but it's still productive:
(In the German version, I placed this between "Numbers only" and "Verbs only")

    Only for colour words :

        -pin Creates colour nouns. Example: rimpin (the color yellow)
             Note: If before -pin is a word that end with a letter n, the letter n becomes m. Example: ean (blue, green) + -pin = eampin (the colour blue, green)


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    [b][u]Only for colour words[/u][/b] :

        [b]-pin[/b] Creates colour nouns. Example: [b]rim[color=brown]pin[/color][/b] (the color yellow)
             [b]Note:[/b] If before [b]-pin[/b] is a word that end with a letter [b]n[/b], the letter [b]n[/b] becomes [b]m[/b]. Example: [b]ean[/b] (blue, green) + -[b]pin[/b] = [b]ea[color=brown]m[/color]pin[/b] (the colour blue, green)



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Re: Easy Guide to Na'vi Prefixes, Infixes, and Suffixes II
« Reply #116 on: August 31, 2014, 04:48:43 pm »
Is this the same type of deal as hì'-, even though it's productive for all color adjectives? I feel like all these are and will always be in the dictionary. -pin feels like a compound element too. It's the second half of 'opin used to form compounds meaning the color itself of {color adjective}

I wonder, add this for completion (even though hì'- wasn't kept in), or leave it out for the same reason..?

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Re: Easy Guide to Na'vi Prefixes, Infixes, and Suffixes II
« Reply #117 on: August 31, 2014, 04:52:37 pm »
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Before anything else, note that these color terms are regular adjectives–not nouns, not stative verbs. To form color nouns, just add -pin. So for example:

Fìsyulang lu rim. ‘This flower is yellow.’
Fìsyulang arim lu hì’i frato. ‘This yellow flower is the smallest of all.’
Ke sunu oeru rimpin. ‘I don’t like the color yellow.’

Note that when the basic color term ends in -n, the n is pronounced m before the p of pin. (Linguists would call that an instance of regressive nasal assimilation.) And the spelling changes to reflect that. So we have tumpin, eampin, neympin, layompin. This happens in other places in Na’vi (for example: txampay ‘sea, ocean’, a compound of txan ‘much’ + pay ‘water’) and of course in ’Rrtan languages as well (cf. ‘indelicate,’ ‘inadequate,’ ‘inhuman,’ ‘interminable,’ ‘insufficient,’ etc. but ‘impatient,’ ‘imperfect,’ and so on).

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Bis auf -pin an Farbwörtern sind das alles nicht-produktive Sachen. Es sind eher Wortelemente, aus denen sich andere Wörter zusammensetzen können. Ich vermute, William hat das damals aus etymologischem Interesse mit in die Grammatik aufgenommen.
Soo, d.h. das Suffix -pin fehlt in der Lister der produktiven Affixe?
Sehr limitiert… wie viele Farbwörte haben wir? 12? Aber ja, das würde ich als produktives Suffix für Farben ansehen.

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Re: Easy Guide to Na'vi Prefixes, Infixes, and Suffixes II
« Reply #118 on: August 31, 2014, 09:38:33 pm »
-pin is talked about extensively in the original color words post. Even though it is used with just a few words, K. Pawl does consider it to be a productive affix. It should be listed with other affixes.

OTOH, I have never seen hì- used in any way other than as part of a word. I would not consider it to be an affix, although asking Pawl about this would never hurt.

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Re: Easy Guide to Na'vi Prefixes, Infixes, and Suffixes II
« Reply #119 on: September 02, 2014, 11:53:13 am »
Ok then. -pin gets added, it is.

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