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« on: July 21, 2011, 08:12:26 pm »
what is 'ing' when added at the end of a word in Na'vi?
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Re: 'ing'?
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2011, 08:57:55 pm »
Na'vi in a Nutshell says:

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The Active Participle Infix <us>

This infix, which is placed in the <1> location, turns the -ing form of the verb into an adjective:

tswayon to fly -> tsw<us>ayon flying
tswusayona ikran the flying ikran

fyawìntxu to guide -> fyaw<us>wìntxu guiding
atan afyawuswìntxu guiding light

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Re: 'ing'?
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2011, 09:15:56 pm »
how is fyawuswìntxu right? aren't infixes put in front of the first, second and/or third vowels? unless I'm crazy, w isn't a vowel; and there suddenly appears to be two w's in fyawuswìntxu. ???
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oeyä tsmukan, ma Nick, oeru ngaytxoa livu. nìmwey tsurokx. nga yawne lu oer.

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Re: 'ing'?
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2011, 09:16:28 pm »
Or are you referring to a verb?
Example: I am running

If so, then that is the <er> infix in the position <1>.


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Re: 'ing'?
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2011, 09:32:30 pm »
The <er> infix is used when you're "verbing".

Poe poanur p<er>lltxe > she's speaking to him

And use tì- and <us> (which is also placed in the <1> position) in a verb to create a gerund

Poeri tì-p<us>lltxe ngäzìk lu > speaking is difficult for her


how is fyawuswìntxu right? aren't infixes put in front of the first, second and/or third vowels? unless I'm crazy, w isn't a vowel; and there suddenly appears to be two w's in fyawuswìntxu. ???

HRH seems that you caught a typo. :P It's supposed to be afyawusìntxu...




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Re: 'ing'?
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2011, 09:33:29 pm »
As Tirea Aean has said, there are 3 ways to translate the "ing" ending:

<er>: I am running
<us>: A running person
tì-<us>: They love running

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Re: 'ing'?
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2011, 09:34:22 pm »
:D

There! BAM!


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Re: 'ing'?
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2011, 11:51:49 pm »
ohhh! okay :D

oh, what about 'ed'? as in 'stayed'?
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Re: 'ing'?
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2011, 11:54:22 pm »
<ol> position 1.


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Re: 'ing'?
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2011, 01:37:22 am »
how is fyawuswìntxu right? aren't infixes put in front of the first, second and/or third vowels? unless I'm crazy, w isn't a vowel; and there suddenly appears to be two w's in fyawuswìntxu. ???
seems that Ftxavanga Txe'lan rewrote it in wrong way, correct is really
fyawìntxu to guide → fyaw<us>ìntxu guiding atan a-fyawusìntxu guiding light
as comes from current version of NiaN
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« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2011, 01:43:32 am »
That was already established.  ???


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Re: 'ing'?
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2011, 02:48:25 am »
oh, what about 'ed'? as in 'stayed'?
<ol> position 1.

Or ‹awn› in 1

yerik atawnaron, the hunted yerik

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Re: 'ing'?
« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2011, 07:46:10 am »
how is fyawuswìntxu right? aren't infixes put in front of the first, second and/or third vowels? unless I'm crazy, w isn't a vowel; and there suddenly appears to be two w's in fyawuswìntxu. ???
seems that Ftxavanga Txe'lan rewrote it in wrong way, correct is really
fyawìntxu to guide → fyaw<us>ìntxu guiding atan a-fyawusìntxu guiding light
as comes from current version of NiaN

Sorry about that. :(

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Re: 'ing'?
« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2011, 07:50:26 am »
oh, what about 'ed'? as in 'stayed'?
<ol> position 1.

Or ‹awn› in 1

yerik atawnaron, the hunted yerik

<us> would still be required in this example; taron is a verb..


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Re: 'ing'?
« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2011, 07:58:03 am »
oh, what about 'ed'? as in 'stayed'?
<ol> position 1.

Or ‹awn› in 1

yerik atawnaron, the hunted yerik

<us> would still be required in this example; taron is a verb..

Why? If <us> was used instead of <awn>, it would be "the hunting yerik" instead of with <awn> making it "the hunted yerik".

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« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2011, 08:02:18 am »
Ah! Okay.


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Re: 'ing'?
« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2011, 08:17:31 am »
for "ed" as in past tense (the <awn> thing was already established) we use either the infix <am> (general past), or <ìm> (close/recent past), or <ol> (perfective action. similar to Perfect Simple in English).
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Re: 'ing'?
« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2011, 08:20:24 am »
how is fyawuswìntxu right? aren't infixes put in front of the first, second and/or third vowels? unless I'm crazy, w isn't a vowel; and there suddenly appears to be two w's in fyawuswìntxu. ???
seems that Ftxavanga Txe'lan rewrote it in wrong way, correct is really
fyawìntxu to guide → fyaw<us>ìntxu guiding atan a-fyawusìntxu guiding light
as comes from current version of NiaN

Sorry about that. :(
no need to make excuse :) my hands also sometimes do something different than my brain wants

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yerik atawnaron, the hunted yerik
<us> would still be required in this example; taron is a verb..
why?
yerik atusaron = hunting yerik, that one which is on the hunt (he hunts other creatures)
yerik atawnaron = hunted yerik, that one which is being hunted (other creatures hunt him)
<us>/<awn> changes verb into adjective

Why did you repeat what Ekirä said nearly two minutes before..?


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Re: 'ing'?
« Reply #18 on: July 24, 2011, 10:18:59 pm »
how is fyawuswìntxu right? aren't infixes put in front of the first, second and/or third vowels? unless I'm crazy, w isn't a vowel; and there suddenly appears to be two w's in fyawuswìntxu. ???
seems that Ftxavanga Txe'lan rewrote it in wrong way, correct is really
fyawìntxu to guide → fyaw<us>ìntxu guiding atan a-fyawusìntxu guiding light
as comes from current version of NiaN

Sorry about that. :(
no need to make excuse :) my hands also sometimes do something different than my brain wants

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yerik atawnaron, the hunted yerik
<us> would still be required in this example; taron is a verb..
why?
yerik atusaron = hunting yerik, that one which is on the hunt (he hunts other creatures)
yerik atawnaron = hunted yerik, that one which is being hunted (other creatures hunt him)
<us>/<awn> changes verb into adjective

Why did you repeat what Ekirä said nearly two minutes before..?

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Re: 'ing'?
« Reply #19 on: July 24, 2011, 11:17:54 pm »
Sran, and I was recently thinking about translations of the English -ed.  Here's what I came up with:

<awn>: pulled pork
<ol>, <am>, <alm>: I (have) ran.
<ìm>, <ìlm>: That (has) just happened.

Notably this is a difficult aspect of Na'vi for English speakers to figure out for reasons noted above.

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