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Re: Lenition of prefixes
« Reply #60 on: July 19, 2014, 10:45:43 am »
The definition of a collective noun is a singular noun which has a meaning of a collection of many of the same thing or group of members. Words like family, band, group, class, society, company etc.

I know. I mean just a meaning of sawtute. Of cause it's plural form of tawtute, but also it's a race.
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Re: Lenition of prefixes
« Reply #61 on: July 19, 2014, 11:19:48 am »
Isn't there another Official example of a singular pum for plural noun instance?
I can't find more official example.
Btw, that question on pum is very old:
Does pum have plural forms?
If so, when are they used? We know from the listening excercise at Na'viteri that pum by itself can refer back to a plural noun.
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Re: Lenition of prefixes
« Reply #62 on: July 19, 2014, 01:20:46 pm »
Isn't there another Official example of a singular pum for plural noun instance?
I can't find more official example.

You could count this example althought the generic plural makes this a strange example…

Ftue lu fwa taron ngonga ioangit to fwa taron pumit a lu walak sì win.
‘It’s easier to hunt lethargic animals than to hunt perky, speedy ones.

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Re: Lenition of prefixes
« Reply #63 on: July 19, 2014, 01:21:35 pm »
Ma Tirea Aean, your code analogy for pum, that you explained to me in great detail at AvatarMeet, now makes more sense than ever. In this particular instance, it describes very accurately how the word works.

Naʼvi seems to have a lot of 'placeholder words', like a, the 'f/t' words, etc.

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Re: Lenition of prefixes
« Reply #64 on: July 19, 2014, 01:58:31 pm »
I was not sure if I should post that example...it's a strange example.

Naʼvi seems to have a lot of 'placeholder words', like a, the 'f/t' words, etc.
"a" is not a placeholder, it is rather a connector. Pronouns are technically placeholders for persons and/or things.

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Re: Lenition of prefixes
« Reply #65 on: July 19, 2014, 08:20:50 pm »
Although pronouns are 'quasi-placeholders', in that it is a generic noun substituting for a proper noun. However, they have to carry the same number, etc. as the proper noun would have carried.

To me, a is a kind of placeholder, as it is necessary in Na'vi, but doesn't really translate into anything, at least in English.

If the example you are mentioning is the sentence Plumps posted, it is a good example of how pum is supposed to work. The strange thing about it is that lethargic prey would still be challenging to hunt because they would almost certainly be better 'shielded'.

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Re: Lenition of prefixes
« Reply #66 on: July 19, 2014, 08:58:51 pm »
I've done the best I could to split posts without editing any to clean up this thread.

The original topic here (which I believe was already answered) was: Do prefixes lenite? (answer was yes)

Discussion involving the existence and meaning of the prefix fray+ has been split here: http://forum.learnnavi.org/prefixes-infixes-and-suffixes/re-lenition-of-prefixes/

Discussion involving the existence and meaning of a possible plural form of pum (mefum, pxefum, ayfum) has been split here: http://forum.learnnavi.org/vocab-phrases/discussion-on-plural-of-pum-(split-from-re-lenition-of-prefixes)/

There may remain here some posts which are now out of context or do not make sense.. For that, I am sorry. There were posts in here that were taking part in multiple discussions and I tried to split them all off into separate threads to keep this one on topic and continue those discussions in separate more relevant places.
« Last Edit: July 19, 2014, 09:07:11 pm by Tirea Aean »

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