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<ol> in aspect?
« on: June 18, 2011, 11:58:05 pm »
  This infix confuses me. In the Na'vi in a nutshell, by NeotrekkerZ, he says at first it is the equivalent of "have verbed" but then he says it is an aspect, and in the examples, it is the same as <am>, or "verbed"  This doesn't make sense
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Re: <ol> in aspect?
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2011, 12:13:44 am »
Well.. this infix means that the action already is done. For example: oel nolume lì'fyati leNa'vi - I learned the Na'vi language. It means that I already learned this language and now I know that. But -am- here would mean that I learned it in past (tried to learn), but not necessary that succeed (oel namume lì'fyati leNa'vi).
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Re: <ol> in aspect?
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2011, 12:17:35 am »
<ol>, <am>, and <alm> can be very tricky to distinguish.  Here's what these three infixes mean conceptually:

<ol>: something has been completed.  It doesn't refer to when it happened.
<am>: something happened in the past.  It doesn't refer to how it happened.
<alm>: something has been completed in the past.  This combines <am> with <ol> and defines when and how something happened.

Think carefully when reading that part of Na'vi in a Nutshell ;)

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Re: <ol> in aspect?
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2011, 12:21:42 am »
<ol>, <am>, and <alm> can be very tricky to distinguish.  Here's what these three infixes mean conceptually:

<ol>: something has been completed.  It doesn't refer to when it happened.
<am>: something happened in the past.  It doesn't refer to how it happened.
<alm>: something has been completed in the past.  This combines <am> with <ol> and defines when and how something happened.

Think carefully when reading that part of Na'vi in a Nutshell ;)

Right. Also if you're talking about the past and it's clear from the context, you can use just -ol- instead of -alm-. It's clear that it happened in the past.
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Re: <ol> in aspect?
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2011, 04:04:57 pm »
So... -alm- is an aspect too?
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Re: <ol> in aspect?
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2011, 05:37:51 pm »
So... -alm- is an aspect too?

That infix combines both aspect and tense.  It's the simplified combination of ‹ol› and ‹am›.
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Re: <ol> in aspect?
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2011, 01:05:41 am »
It's clear that it happened in the past.

Now <ìm> vs. <ìlm>, on the other hand...

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