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Re: Discussion on fray+
« Reply #20 on: July 23, 2014, 09:17:37 am »
BTW, is it possible to use fray+ with uncountable nouns? If it means "all", could we say *frayfay - all the water? I think it would be incorrect because we can't use ay+ with uncountable nouns. :-\
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Re: Discussion on fray+
« Reply #21 on: July 23, 2014, 09:30:44 am »
Good question :-\
And I agree with you. I wouldn’t use it unless in this instance it would mean “all of” (which I doubt) and should be confirmed first.

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Re: Discussion on fray+
« Reply #22 on: July 23, 2014, 09:34:18 am »
Probably you're right. This would be an answer why Pawl translated fray+ as "all of" rather than just "all". And probably for "all the water" we should use nìwotx.
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Re: Discussion on fray+
« Reply #23 on: July 23, 2014, 09:40:54 am »
No. Because fray+ comes from fra + ay and the ay+ part would drop in that case.

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Re: Discussion on fray+
« Reply #24 on: July 23, 2014, 09:47:30 am »
No. Because fray+ comes from fra + ay and the ay+ part would drop in that case.

Actually *frapay also seems weird... :-\
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Re: Discussion on fray+
« Reply #25 on: July 23, 2014, 09:49:30 am »
Probably you're right. This would be an answer why Pawl translated fray+ as "all of" rather than just "all". And probably for "all the water" we should use nìwotx.

I’d also use this solution ;)

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Re: Discussion on fray+
« Reply #26 on: July 23, 2014, 10:02:56 am »
Ok, I see what I did here, and I do agree with the solution of "all of X / all". Ngaytxoa. :S

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Re: Discussion on fray+
« Reply #27 on: July 23, 2014, 08:55:07 pm »
But is there any difference between 'all of' and 'all'? I think they differ more in English than anywhere else.

Fray+ may get away from the prohibition on using ay+ on uncountable nouns, by being a single entity that just happens to end in /ay/.

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Re: Discussion on fray+
« Reply #28 on: July 23, 2014, 09:16:24 pm »
But is there any difference between 'all of' and 'all'? I think they differ more in English than anywhere else.

There is different usage. we can't say "all of the water", but can say "all the water". So there is a bit different meaning. Actually fray+ could mean "all of" only but "all" can't...
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