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Discussion on fray+

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Kemaweyan:
All of these houses. = fra + fì + ay + kelku = *frafayhelku, kefyak? Where is this fì- in the example?


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--- Quote from: Kemaweyan on July 16, 2014, 03:37:24 pm ---And why Ftiafpi said that it's not official?
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Where?

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Sorry, I read "now" as "not" :-[

Tìtstewan:
Well, this is a consistently used "rule" of

--- Quote from: Ftiafpi on July 29, 2013, 12:11:22 am ---Paul used this example for a translation but his exact phrase was "All of these houses are..."
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With the difference, that there is "three" from pxe+ or "two" from me+.
As for that "pseudo-fì", you could ask Pawl about it. I think, fra + ay is special, otherwise it would be (literal) something like this: "*frafay+"...


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Maybe a moderator could be nice to split this topic because of derailment... :-[

Blue Elf:

--- Quote from: Kemaweyan on July 16, 2014, 03:17:40 pm ---I think we should use something like takip here: pehelkut a takip tsapum ngal folrrfen?

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Pum has no plural, so *tsayfum seems to be not allowed.


--- Quote ---Actually I don't see "these" here. There is plural prefix ay+, but no fì- or tsa- Undecided It does not seem correct, maybe Pawl was mistaken? Also what happens when there are two or three houses? *Framehelku and *frapxehelku? Undecided I don't understand how these prefixes work...

And why Ftiafpi said that it's not official?
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IMO using fra- (every) with number gives no sense. Every two/three houses? Hmmm.

Kemaweyan:

--- Quote from: Blue Elf on July 17, 2014, 09:27:39 am ---Pum has no plural, so *tsayfum seems to be not allowed.

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Has it been confirmed?


--- Quote from: Blue Elf on July 17, 2014, 09:27:39 am ---IMO using fra- (every) with number gives no sense. Every two/three houses? Hmmm.

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I think so, but it's official now... Maybe fra- means every, but fray+ - all? It could make sense, IMO.

Tìtstewan:
I think the basic problem here is, that we know if we use number with nouns, we don't add ay+ prefix to the noun in Na'vi.
The same usually also for quantifiers like "all", fray+ is more or less an exception, which means "all of these" (which would mean literally *frafay+ [fra+fì+ay]), but I thnk it force the translation for "all". The combination of fra+me/pxe could mean "every [two X] or [three X] - every "pair" / "tripple" thing. It would like a "dual fra" and "trial fra".

All houses
Alle Häuser
Toti case
Frayhelku

But "every" or even fra- doesn't cause the plural use on nouns, so they aren't changed:
Every house
Jedes Haus
Fiecare casă
Frakelku

Here you have the difference between fra- "every" and fray- "all".

frapo - everybody
vs
frayfo - all bodies

I think, this is why fray has been confirmed.

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