Insane stacking up of prefixes in nouns

Started by Eltu Lefngap Makto, March 05, 2011, 09:12:12 PM

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Eltu Lefngap Makto

I just tried to quantify all the possible ways a noun could get bigger and it seems nearly limitless!  The most extreme example I could come up with:

fìfrapxevopxìorifnepekxamläsì

fì- fra- pxe+ fne- vo-pxì -o -ri -pe kxamlä sì

this-all-three-kind-eight-th-some-topical-what-through_the_middle-and

and regarding through the middle of which of all these certain kind of three-eighths


Is this actually (or nearly) possible?!?!?!?!  ???
'Ivong, Na'vi!

wm.annis

Quote from: Eltu Lefngap Makto on March 05, 2011, 09:12:12 PM
Is this actually (or nearly) possible?!?!?!?!  ???

Not quite to that degree.  Case markers and adpositions don't go together.  -pe would come before any case marker, and it's not clear to me that it and -o can coexist.

Kemaweyan

Quote from: Eltu Lefngap Makto on March 05, 2011, 09:12:12 PM
-ri -pe

It's incorrect. We use cases after -pe :) And we never use adpositions with any cases except nominative (which is without ending), so kxamlä is impossible with -ri together.

Quote from: Eltu Lefngap Makto on March 05, 2011, 09:12:12 PM
fì- fra-

this-all

fra- actually means "every", I think fìfra does not make sense. And I think vo is a root here. But I'm not sure that it's possible to use fne- after the root... Please check your example again.
Nìrangal frapo tsirvun pivlltxe nìNa'vi :D

'Oma Tirea

What about me+, pxe+ combined with fì-, tsa-, and pe+?  I would assume the numerical prefix comes after the demonstrative...

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Kemaweyan

That's completely correct. I don't remember exactly, but I think that we got examples from Pawl where he wrote fìme- and fìpxe-. But even if we have not those examples, I'm completely sure of this rule :)
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Eltu Lefngap Makto

Quote from: wm.annis on March 05, 2011, 09:26:08 PM
Not quite to that degree.  Case markers and adpositions don't go together.  -pe would come before any case marker, and it's not clear to me that it and -o can coexist.
But everything else?

fìfrapxefnevopxìpekxamläsì

and through the middle of which of all these kinds of three-eights?

A = fì- or tsa-
B = fra-
C = number (Sing., Dual, Trial, Pl.)
D = fne-
the word
E = if a number -vo or -pxì
F = -o or -pe
G = Case or Adposition
H = -sì

A noun can have any or all of A-H?
'Ivong, Na'vi!

Eltu Lefngap Makto

Quote from: Kemaweyan on March 05, 2011, 09:28:55 PM
fra- actually means "every", I think fìfra does not make sense. And I think vo is a root here. But I'm not sure that it's possible to use fne- after the root... Please check your example again.
Yes, fne- was supposed to be before the root.

Also, don't we say (In English) "All these things" and "all those times" and "every (one of) these flowers" and "every (one of) those tigers"?
'Ivong, Na'vi!

Kemaweyan

I think it would be ayfì'u nìwotx - all these things.
Nìrangal frapo tsirvun pivlltxe nìNa'vi :D

Kemaweyan

Nìrangal frapo tsirvun pivlltxe nìNa'vi :D

Eltu Lefngap Makto

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Quote from: Kemaweyan on March 05, 2011, 09:44:22 PM
I think it would be ayfì'u nìwotx - all these things.
3.3.6 in the grammar looks like fì- and fra- can coexist.  But even it not, that still leaves

frapxefnevopxìpekxamläsì

and through the middle of which kind of all three eighths?
'Ivong, Na'vi!

Kemaweyan

Maybe.. then I understand fìfra as every of these ... But I could be mistaken..
Nìrangal frapo tsirvun pivlltxe nìNa'vi :D

Eltu Lefngap Makto

Thanks for putting up with me through this, ma frapo.  I'm trying to write a computer program to construct and decipher words, but I need to know all possible combinations first.

A = fì- or tsa- (which combine with ay+) (pe+ could appear here instead)
B = fra- (which combines with ay+
C = number (Sing., Dual, Trial, Pl. - including the "disappearing" plural)
D = fne-
the word
E = if a number -vo or -pxì
F = -o or -pe
G = Case (all 12 forms) or Adposition
H = -sì
'Ivong, Na'vi!

Kemaweyan

I guess instead of could be also fu :)
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Eltu Lefngap Makto

Quote from: Kemaweyan on March 05, 2011, 10:19:44 PM
I guess instead of could be also fu :)
fu can be enclitic/attached?!  That's not in the grammar (cp 6.19.3 vs 6.19.5.2)!  Man, this is gonna be hard to program!  ;D
'Ivong, Na'vi!

'Oma Tirea

Quote from: Eltu Lefngap Makto on March 05, 2011, 11:37:50 PM
Quote from: Kemaweyan on March 05, 2011, 10:19:44 PM
I guess instead of could be also fu :)
fu can be enclitic/attached?!  That's not in the grammar (cp 6.19.3 vs 6.19.5.2)!  Man, this is gonna be hard to program!  ;D

Mllte.  It seems a bit speculative for now....

However I do like your thinking :)

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Mesireatu

Quote from: Kemaweyan on March 05, 2011, 09:47:33 PM
Yeah, vopxì is a noun.
Kaltxì ma Kemaweyan!
Oel kameie ngati! Excuse me, but didn't you meant vospxì (month in English)? Otherwise, what is vopxì?  ??? I couldn't find it in the dictionary.. Eywa ngahu Kìyevame Il Sogno Viandante
Varför minns jag alla dåliga vitsar, men glömmer alla infix i Na'vi?? ???
Why do I remember all bad jokes, but forget all the infixes in Na'vi?? :-[

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Nga yawne lu oer, Sara L!!

Kemaweyan

Nìrangal frapo tsirvun pivlltxe nìNa'vi :D