This probably could go into all the beginner topics, but is this right?

Started by AuLekye'ung, January 26, 2010, 09:55:40 PM

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AuLekye'ung

Alright, so I made a nonsensical sentence: My blue ikran flew close to the sun.

This was my thought process:

Oeri ikran aean tamswayon lok ne tswake.
Oe-ri (TOP) ikran (GEN) a-ean t<am>swayon lok ne tswake.
My blue ikran flew close to the sun. (intended)
I ikran blue flew close to sun. (literal)


Primarily, I'm wondering about the noun cases, and what all they mean.  (When do you use the -yä, -ri, etc.?)

Also, was lok ne correct?  It seemed, from what I've found at the main site that lok should have been able to stand alone, but I am still skxawng.
Txo *fìzìsìst*it oel ke lu, kxawm oel tutet lepamtseo lu.  Oe pxìm fpìl nìpamtseo, oel rey letrra ayunil oeyä nìpamtseo.

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Tsamsteu

My blue ikran flew class to the sun.

Oe-yä ikran a-ean lok tsawke tsw<am>on.

yä = possessive suffix; oe-yä = my

a = adj marker; a-ean = blue (adj for ikran)

lok = close to (no need for "ne")

tsw<am>on = past tense (you just misplaced/mispelled it)

Does that make sense?
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AuLekye'ung

Irayo.

I was confusing topical and genative cases.  I figured that I didn't need the ne.

So, -yä as the possessive?  Or, if the word ends in a consonant then just -ä?

Just for clarification: Oe-yä(GEN) ikran a-ean lok tsawke tsw<am>on.  Right?

However, I am still confused on, from what I read http://content.learnnavi.org/taronyu/Inflections.pdf, the verb infixes section indicates "positions" 2 & 3 to put in infixes like <am> or <ei>?

For instance, I wrote it as t<am>swayon because I assumed that "position 2" meant inserted between letter 1 and 2, and "position 3" was between 2 and 3.

How does it really work?

Irayo,

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Txo *fìzìsìst*it oel ke lu, kxawm oel tutet lepamtseo lu.  Oe pxìm fpìl nìpamtseo, oel rey letrra ayunil oeyä nìpamtseo.

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Nyx

Shouldn't it be tsw<am>ayon for "flew"? Since fly is tswayon and you put -am- in it for something that happened in the past.

As for the positions, they're not about the letters but about the syllables. As I got it, the infixes for tense go after the consonant (cluster) of the second to last syllable, and the ones for whether you like something or not (i.e. -ei- and -äng-) go in after the consonant (cluster) of the last syllable. So with "tswayon" you'd put the tense between the w and a. However, I don't know why Tsamsteu put it as "tswamon" (maybe I could get some help here?).

Please correct me if I'm wrong though.. I'm still learning :)

omängum fra'uti

The commonly held belief is that "tswayon" is a copy/paste mistake and that's an inflected verb for future tense, where the real verb is "tswon".
Ftxey lu nga tokx ftxey lu nga tirea? Lu oe tìkeftxo.
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AuLekye'ung

I'm still confused.

So fly is actually tswon?  So the past tense would be tswamon?  I don't get the syllable thing, since many verbs are one syllable, like tswon, which actually would be tswonam?

Can you explain the syllable position thing again?
Txo *fìzìsìst*it oel ke lu, kxawm oel tutet lepamtseo lu.  Oe pxìm fpìl nìpamtseo, oel rey letrra ayunil oeyä nìpamtseo.

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omängum fra'uti

If there's only one syllable, all infixes go before the vowel of that one syllable.
Ftxey lu nga tokx ftxey lu nga tirea? Lu oe tìkeftxo.
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AuLekye'ung

So, for taron it would be ta<am>ron, and for lu it would be l<am>u?  Or for tswon it would be tsw<am>on?
Txo *fìzìsìst*it oel ke lu, kxawm oel tutet lepamtseo lu.  Oe pxìm fpìl nìpamtseo, oel rey letrra ayunil oeyä nìpamtseo.

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AuLekye'ung

Txo *fìzìsìst*it oel ke lu, kxawm oel tutet lepamtseo lu.  Oe pxìm fpìl nìpamtseo, oel rey letrra ayunil oeyä nìpamtseo.

- Älpert Aynstayn