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Project NgayNume II: What Do You Want it To Be?
« on: October 10, 2012, 02:42:46 pm »
OK,

Some very good ideas have been posted in the threads ...


... and Tirea and I have been throwing some basic ideas around.

Now we want to know ... well I suppose we want to know if there's really any interest but yeah, if there is we need some ideas. Project NgayNume is already established, in our community well-known (even reaching beyond that), and because of that we have to ask some questions:

  • Should the new version of "Project NgayNume" be called "Project NagyNume II" or something else?
  • If you voted something else, should the new project have a Na'vi (e.g. "Tìkangkemvi NgayNume"), an English (e.g. "Project TrueLearn") or a hybrid name (e.g. "Project NagyNume" or "Tìkangkemvi NgayNume (Project TrueLearn)")?
  • Do you like (approve of) any of the following?
    • "Na’viyȁ Numeyu (Na’vi Student)"
    • "Tìkangkemvi NgayNume (Project TrueLearn)"
    • "Project NgayNume"
    • "Project NgayNume II"
    • "Project Atan"
    • "Eywayä Aynumeyu (Eywa's Students)"
    • Other (make a suggestion)?

Please can anyone interested answer the above, perhaps even throw any ideas in (keeping them relevant at this level)?

Bear in mind this isn't like the other two threads ... this is really aimed at establishing a kind of identity for the project and we hope to build on that anf fold in some of the ideas highlighted in the threads referenced above (and more I hope).

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Re: Project NgayNume II: What Do You Want it To Be?
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2012, 03:21:11 pm »
In keeping with the philosophy this project has always had (even though I myself have not participated), I really like Tìkangkemvi NgayNume (mune) This identifies the project with only Na'vi (and helps break the very strong association of Na'vi with English), as a learning project, and (with the mune) as the second incantation of this project.

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Re: Project NgayNume II: What Do You Want it To Be?
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2012, 07:19:00 pm »
In keeping with the philosophy this project has always had (even though I myself have not participated), I really like Tìkangkemvi NgayNume (mune) This identifies the project with only Na'vi (and helps break the very strong association of Na'vi with English), as a learning project, and (with the mune) as the second incantation of this project.

Good points. I can agree with this. This though yet again is a mouthful. Perhaps let's find a clever abbreviation if we decide on this name.

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Re: Project NgayNume II: What Do You Want it To Be?
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2012, 07:54:42 pm »
NgayNume TM (Tìkangkemvi aMune) ?

I personally like the name NgayNume, and if some beginners say it un-guy-new-may in their heads, that's where gentle correction comes in, right?

However, I think abbreviating Tìkangkemvi (if you decide to go with that) is a good idea, because to me it looks long and somewhat intimidating.


EDIT: oops, forgot to capitalize the second N.
« Last Edit: October 10, 2012, 08:30:09 pm by Alyara Arati »
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Re: Project NgayNume II: What Do You Want it To Be?
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2012, 08:15:11 pm »
Hehe almost looks like NgayNume™ :D

What if it were simply "NgayNume"?

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Re: Project NgayNume II: What Do You Want it To Be?
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2012, 08:32:00 pm »
Hehe almost looks like NgayNume™ :D

What if it were simply "NgayNume"?

Yes, I know. ;)  I had to stop myself from suggesting T2N2, but that's a little too "clever" to be a good name.
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Re: Project NgayNume II: What Do You Want it To Be?
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2012, 08:39:51 pm »
Quote from: Alyara Arati link=topic=22818.msg559657#msg559657
T2N2

What's that?  ???  Never seen it before.

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Re: Project NgayNume II: What Do You Want it To Be?
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2012, 08:43:47 pm »
Quote from: Alyara Arati link=topic=22818.msg559657#msg559657
T2N2

What's that?  ???  Never seen it before.

It's just Tìkangkemvi #2, N squared, for NgayNume (not a secret chemical formula, or anything cool like that.)

Sorry for the slight thread detour.
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Re: Project NgayNume II: What Do You Want it To Be?
« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2012, 08:45:10 pm »
Quote from: Alyara Arati link=topic=22818.msg559657#msg559657
T2N2

What's that?  ???  Never seen it before.

It's just Tìkangkemvi #2, N squared, for NgayNume (not a secret chemical formula, or anything cool like that.)

Sorry for the slight thread detour.

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Re: Project NgayNume II: What Do You Want it To Be?
« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2012, 01:03:28 am »
It's just Tìkangkemvi #2, N squared, for NgayNume (not a secret chemical formula, or anything cool like that.)

Actually, being somewhat pro-science (what me? never!) I rather like that  ;D

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Re: Project NgayNume II: What Do You Want it To Be?
« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2012, 01:44:15 am »
Maybe T is the chemical symbol for Unobtanium....

I like the rhythm that develops when you speak the long Tìkangkemvi NgayNume mune The tongue twister at the end is a no-cost added bonus!  ::)

We don't have any rules for abbreviation I know of.

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Re: Project NgayNume II: What Do You Want it To Be?
« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2012, 05:02:40 am »
Well, create project name is often one of the hardest parts (sometimes even the hardest one ;D)
I like thoughts of Alyara Arati and based on those I'd propose

TN2 = Tìkangkem Ngaynume 2 (amuve)

More experienced can use the full name, less experienced just abbreviation. Fair enough, don't you think?

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Re: Project NgayNume II: What Do You Want it To Be?
« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2012, 01:42:52 pm »
OK ... so I'm gonna leave this thread until the end of the weekend and then see what suggestions we have (please free, come up with some stuff that's weird or different or whatever coz what we want might be amongst them) and then we can put it to an actual vote.

Talking of votes ... anyone know if we can create polls in forum?

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Re: Project NgayNume II: What Do You Want it To Be?
« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2012, 01:44:47 pm »
Well, as I am mostly conservative, I like the idea of keeping the NgayNume name as is.

Word "NgayNume" fits me best for this kind of learning (use native language only for explaining and keep the regular conversation in Na’vi), it is only our non-systematic approach that we are still keeping activity in NgayNume thread, although these discussions have nothing in common with the original idea (except some short moments of conversation in Na’vi ;)). So if we are talking about NgayNume as it was in the beginning, it is already long time dead, awaiting ressurection.

I am very inclined to preserve the name and restart NgayNume like in a good old days, but keep it tightly organized (progressing and thematically oriented lessons, homework etc.) and clean from all things that are not directly related to learning - like our nowadays sessions. In my opinion, this organization and systematic creation of lessons are the keys for success, and will be also requiring the most of the effort.
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Re: Project NgayNume II: What Do You Want it To Be?
« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2012, 02:43:58 pm »
OK ... so I'm gonna leave this thread until the end of the weekend and then see what suggestions we have (please free, come up with some stuff that's weird or different or whatever coz what we want might be amongst them) and then we can put it to an actual vote.

Talking of votes ... anyone know if we can create polls in forum?

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Re: Project NgayNume II: What Do You Want it To Be?
« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2012, 02:54:33 pm »
A well-tested, systematic set of lessons that can easily be taught by volunteer teachers is close to ideal.

I think in the long run though, what caused the most problems here (from an outsider looking in) was the inability to schedule lessons at a time when people can consistently make it. That is why learning a la Neytiri Project has worked much better for me, and paired me with a teacher who can sufficiently challenge me at the level I am at. (That kind of one-on-one learning also does not require much in the way of structure, and can be done impromptu).

Back to Ngaynume. I think what would work is having a lot more teachers, each teaching fewer students, and each concentrating on one or a small range of time zones. Having pre-built lessons for womething like this is very helpful, especially for people who are uncomfortable as teachers. It might also allow some flexibility in teaching style (another big advantage of one-on-one), where some courses might be more or less 'formal' than others, based on student needs, interests and learning styles. Another advantage to smaller groups is that for commentary, the local language of the area could be used and understood. (Trying to do all instruction in Na'vi is noble, but very hard to make work. I've had Klingon speakers try it on me, and it was very frustrating.)

For an alternate name suggestion, I came up with the compound Tse'aomumlì'u 'see-know-word', which is kind of the idea of Ngaynume as I originally understood it.

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