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Re: Put Suggestions in HERE.
« Reply #40 on: May 25, 2010, 07:14:49 pm »
Very Nice! And it works as I wanted it to! I like it. But where does it say Project NgayNume or PNN or whatnot? <<Edit...I see it....but it is SUPER small going vertical down the left...haha I had to almost facemonitor to see it HRH>

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Re: Put Suggestions in HERE.
« Reply #41 on: May 26, 2010, 08:29:36 am »
I was thinking about listening exercise. I mean. We have prize and PodOmatic. They had words and exercises to learn how to speak and write in Na'vi.

But have we some pronunce exercise? We have de listen lesson, ok, but I don't think that's enough. We could make exercises to learn to pronunce =)

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Re: Put Suggestions in HERE.
« Reply #42 on: May 26, 2010, 08:38:15 am »
I was thinking about listening exercise. I mean. We have prize and PodOmatic. They had words and exercises to learn how to speak and write in Na'vi.

But have we some pronunce exercise? We have de listen lesson, ok, but I don't think that's enough. We could make exercises to learn to pronunce =)

Yes. I like this. What do you think is the best way to make such an exercise?

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Re: Put Suggestions in HERE.
« Reply #43 on: May 26, 2010, 08:53:19 am »
I was thinking about listening exercise. I mean. We have prize and PodOmatic. They had words and exercises to learn how to speak and write in Na'vi.

But have we some pronunce exercise? We have de listen lesson, ok, but I don't think that's enough. We could make exercises to learn to pronunce =)

Yes. I like this. What do you think is the best way to make such an exercise?

It could be like "How to pronunce Na'vi Lenguage" or something, and a video or just "music", where someone says how to do it, with examples and exercises. Obviamente, some people won't need some lessons because, for example, Spanish can pronunce de double R, so "Trr" is too easy to pronunce, but the Ejectives and ' are the most complicated thing and I know that is what causes more troubles to the "students".

It could be a video where we see the mouth of someone pronuncing, and images... I have the picture in my head, but I can't explain it xD I'll try to paint it and post.

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Re: Put Suggestions in HERE.
« Reply #44 on: May 26, 2010, 08:57:49 am »
Have you heard omängum fra'uti's podcast? He just got done a lesson on pronunciation. The pronunciation lesson is here: http://navilessons.podomatic.com/entry/2010-05-22T18_20_00-07_00

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Re: Put Suggestions in HERE.
« Reply #45 on: May 26, 2010, 09:25:48 am »
No, I didn't =)

I'll check it now.

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« Reply #46 on: May 26, 2010, 09:27:32 am »
It goes kinda fast, but this is just his mini-side-lesson-thing on pronunciation. you might have to listen a couple times lest you miss anything. but it is good stuff

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Re: Put Suggestions in HERE.
« Reply #47 on: May 26, 2010, 06:39:19 pm »
I'm also up to provide help on Pronounciation as well. Just so you know.


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Re: Put Suggestions in HERE.
« Reply #48 on: May 27, 2010, 01:21:07 pm »
I think that may belong in the suggestions thread<THIS ONE>...unless you just want to compliment or complain. I am noticing that the "sticky thread" zone is getting larger and stickying such threads is making each of them harder to notice. I made THIS THREAD (the Suggestions thread) so that you all can submit ideas or things that you would change about any part of the project. I look at it, respond and whatever happens, happens. feedback...hmmm...what kind of stuff <If not suggestions> would you all put in there?<just wondering>

I would see it as a way of saying how people found their lessons going, how helpful they were, whether they we're even working at all.

For instance, I might like to post feedback like this:

It seemed to work well for my daughter (Ska'ayu) but not so well for me as I have something like two months on her (in terms of Na'vi learning) and have been using that to fairly good effect so the first lesson was fairly basic stuff to me. I was also rather surprised by the format which I thought was going to be more visual i.e. moving away from Na'vi-English translations to a more picture-Na'vi association format.

So, no criticism of our TA who was excellent when queried about specific things, I admit I had mixed feelings but the truth is I do not know what is in the lesson designer's minds and it may be that the initial intent is to bring all the students up to a basic level of competence before moving on to some of the more challenging stuff. With specific regard to me, I think I occupy that middle ground where I am no longer a beginner but am far from being an expert.

So yeah, it didn't work so well for me but I plan to keep attending, optimistic that the lessons will get more challenging, more useful in the future and I hope you'll see my comments as constructive :)


That's the kind of thing I would see a feedback thread being used for.

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Re: Put Suggestions in HERE.
« Reply #49 on: May 27, 2010, 02:54:41 pm »
OH I get it....not suggestions, but a "ok guys, so what did you think?" thread....hmmm I may want to create one of those out of curiousity...


to answer to your post:

Yes, this project is all-inclusive. Meaning that EVERYONE is invited to participate. especially beginners who JUST signed up and have NO idea about the language and what it sounds like, or how it works, or any vocab or grammar. It is meant to start out very basic and move along until we are all masters and can totally chat in Na'vi with confidence. :D

it will get to a point where you personally will see things and learn things that you did not know before...just be patient. that is a huge criteria. patience, will to learn and good study habits.

thanks, Keke.

TO the TAs running lessons: DO NOT just go through and translate stuff into English. We have pictures. the students can figure out what the picture is of. if they dont get it, find another pic on google images that is more clear and post it in the text chat and repeat the Na'vi word back. I want as LITTLE translation to other languages as humanly possible. the whole entire point of this project is to ELIMINATE translation and go straight from the Na'vi word directly to the concept that it represents.

thanks a pandoran ton guys! :D

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Re: Put Suggestions in HERE.
« Reply #50 on: May 27, 2010, 08:56:39 pm »
Did Esmond mention DabbleBoard? I've tested it and I have found some shortcomings but I think that they can be overcome.

http://dabbleboard.com/draw

Right now the biggest problem with it is see = draw. In other words, anyone who can see the whiteboard can then edit, and we just want to be able to show the same thing to everyone at once. So if we can come to a honor system it may work. Also on the boards is using screensharing via Skype group video to do many wonderful and insane things.


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Re: Put Suggestions in HERE.
« Reply #51 on: May 28, 2010, 09:54:01 am »
It would be nice to store the links for the prezi presentations somewhere for the people who missed the lesson.
By the way, good job with the podcast for last lesson.

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« Reply #52 on: May 28, 2010, 10:22:34 am »
Yes. agent1022 has kinda extensively gone through Dabbleboard and thinks that it is a probable addition to the class that could help enhance the experience. Can the TAs give it a try?

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Re: Put Suggestions in HERE.
« Reply #53 on: May 28, 2010, 02:22:49 pm »
TA's and Students, a good idea is to take some of your lesson material from the Activity book if you arent already, I found that the book is a great way to increase your vocabulary, do the puzzles, whatnot.  And Na'vi in a nutshell is your friend, especially when your dealing with verb tenses


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Re: Put Suggestions in HERE.
« Reply #54 on: May 28, 2010, 11:23:35 pm »
Did Esmond mention DabbleBoard? I've tested it and I have found some shortcomings but I think that they can be overcome.

http://dabbleboard.com/draw

Right now the biggest problem with it is see = draw. In other words, anyone who can see the whiteboard can then edit, and we just want to be able to show the same thing to everyone at once. So if we can come to a honor system it may work. Also on the boards is using screensharing via Skype group video to do many wonderful and insane things.

hmmmm....This seems promising...

It would be nice to store the links for the prezi presentations somewhere for the people who missed the lesson.
By the way, good job with the podcast for last lesson.

I will put the Prezis right on the podcast page just like last week's lesson. Please keep up with the podcast if you miss a lesson or want to go through the lesson again to study during the week. :D

TA's and Students, a good idea is to take some of your lesson material from the Activity book if you arent already, I found that the book is a great way to increase your vocabulary, do the puzzles, whatnot.  And Na'vi in a nutshell is your friend, especially when your dealing with verb tenses

Yeah...I like this...There are things I LIKE about the activity book, there are things I do not....:D <but we ALL LOVE Kaltxì Palulukan aka Dusty for spending tons of time making it> Nutshell is a last resort, as it reinforces translation...but I found today that in SOME cases, it is just necessary...cuz there are some really abstract concepts out there...(not that the beginner should be burdened to learn them)

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Re: Put Suggestions in HERE.
« Reply #55 on: May 29, 2010, 12:31:40 am »
well, something popped in my head while at work, why not use analogies, if im correct 'To' can be used in that situation to compare things in Na'vi; going along with the theme of word association. 


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Re: Put Suggestions in HERE.
« Reply #56 on: May 30, 2010, 08:46:33 am »
Another suggestion.

Why not homeworks? I mean, exercises to work what we have learn and no forget it. Not prizes only, that is not enough. We would need... For example, a topic with exercises like "translate this sentences" or "say what happens in these pictures", where we could post them and the teaches correct us. I know, is a lot of work more, but it could be the thing. I was here, thinking of Na'vi when I realised; why I can't remember the verbs and time sufijos? Because I have not the way to use them.

It could be like a game, un concurso.
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« Reply #57 on: May 30, 2010, 10:05:17 am »
well, something popped in my head while at work, why not use analogies, if im correct 'To' can be used in that situation to compare things in Na'vi; going along with the theme of word association. 

Thats a possibility. :)

Another suggestion.

Why not homeworks? I mean, exercises to work what we have learn and no forget it. Not prizes only, that is not enough. We would need... For example, a topic with exercises like "translate this sentences" or "say what happens in these pictures", where we could post them and the teaches correct us. I know, is a lot of work more, but it could be the thing. I was here, thinking of Na'vi when I realised; why I can't remember the verbs and time sufijos? Because I have not the way to use them.

It could be like a game, un concurso.

yeah! i like this idea too. maybe i will have another TA conference soon.

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« Reply #58 on: May 30, 2010, 12:20:01 pm »
Another suggestion.

Why not homeworks? I mean, exercises to work what we have learn and no forget it. Not prizes only, that is not enough. We would need... For example, a topic with exercises like "translate this sentences" or "say what happens in these pictures", where we could post them and the teaches correct us. I know, is a lot of work more, but it could be the thing. I was here, thinking of Na'vi when I realised; why I can't remember the verbs and time sufijos? Because I have not the way to use them.

It could be like a game, un concurso.

yeah! i like this idea too. maybe i will have another TA conference soon.

I definitely like this idea.  If Tir will remember, I suggested this way back before PNN was even started ;)

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Re: Put Suggestions in HERE.
« Reply #59 on: May 30, 2010, 12:24:12 pm »
Yes, Ayker. I do actually recall. I really want to put that one into action now, or as soon as I can... I want to eventually put all these suggestions into action.

I want every member to adopt a userbar from page one that suits them. (Students get Numeyu, and TAs get Karyuä Srungsiyu.) To figure out how, check out reply #6 on page one of this thread. :D

Thanks for the input guys! Ill see what I can do. Ill have to mention this stuff next time I hold a conference.

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