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A very good alternative to jMemorize. Flash card software.
« on: January 01, 2010, 02:32:02 pm »
Hey there community!

 I just recently joined the forum and discovered that people are using jMemorize to memorize vocabulary. Due to my studies i often have to memorize large amounts of data, and having used many different flash card based sofwares during the years (including jMemorize) i have found a software called Memory Lifter to be the best. I think the interface looks nicer, and it has more options than jMemorizer. E.g it can give you multiple choice test, and you can add pictures or sound to the flashcards. Sounds could be particularly useful later if someone decides to add pronunciation to the glossary (just a thought).  Its also a freeware program and can be found at http://www.memorylifter.com/ .

Anyway i just thought i would tell the community about this program, try it and make up your own mind, maybe you guys will like it better than jMemorize (or maybe not  :P)

As for the vocabulary i took the tab separated values file that wisnij made (hope he doesn't mind), made a Memory Lifter file of it and included it in this post. Im thinking of assigning the different words to different chapters to make it easier to learn bulk of cards by topic, similar to the sorted dictionary. But it will have to wait until I have more free time on my hands.

Let me know what you guys think of the software, and if anyone has any problems with it dont be afraid to ask :)

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Re: A very good alternative to jMemorize. Flash card software.
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2010, 03:00:38 pm »
Downloaded and installed, gonna try it out and see how it goes. So far it seems ok.

*edit* been using it for about 10 mins now. I like it a bit more than jMemorize, since it basically has you learn words in clusters of 5 or so, then just keeps going through them till you get one, then it adds in another word. Breaking them down into smaller clusters of cards rather than our current 400+ words all in one bank would be very useful, but im sure in time it will happen. +1 from me for this useful piece :) Now if i could just get it to show me Na'vi words so i could translate them into English instead of English to Na'vi. Gotta go find that function.
« Last Edit: January 01, 2010, 03:19:30 pm by Nume fpi sänume »

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Re: A very good alternative to jMemorize. Flash card software.
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2010, 09:30:20 am »
Hi, just wanted to write you some tips about the program  :)

Here is how to change to Na'vi - English. Go to Learn-> Learning options->Learning mode. Here you can check which direction the questions should be asked. You can choose English - Na'vi or Na'vi-English or a mix. You can also specify the types of questions asked by the program. E.g multiple choice, image recognition and so on. I prefer using only standard. There are a lot of useful options where you can modify how memory lifter asks you stuff. when im starting to learn new words i often go to Typing and select "correct on the fly". When you answer a question, the software wont let you proceed until you have pressed the right keys. Kinda hard to explain but its very useful when you are trying to learn a lot of words fast. Another tip is to check "self assessment". Its good for those cases where the question is "Iknimaya" and the answer is "Thundering rocks, Stairway to Heaven (floating mountains)". If you dont get everything correct, you can override the program and decide to promote it anyway

Oh and by the way, you can also change the box sizes. The way the program works is that it selects 10 cards from a deck of cards, and if you get the question right it promotes it to a higher box level. When box 2 is full it will ask you a question from box to to be able to give you the chance to promote it to nr 3. If you are able to get it right it will ask you a question from box 1 to be able to promote it to box 2 and so on. That way the program will ask you cards you dont know often, but also revise cards you do know from time to time.

Anyway im glad you liked it. Sorry for the late reply

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Re: A very good alternative to jMemorize. Flash card software.
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2010, 08:55:06 pm »
It won't let me choose Na'vi => English function.

I'm only stuck with english => Na'vi...

Did i do something wrong?

*Edit. The Na'Vi => english function is checked in but it's still giving me the english word and i have to type in Na'vi...
« Last Edit: January 03, 2010, 09:00:11 pm by ANiceSunset »
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Re: A very good alternative to jMemorize. Flash card software.
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2010, 10:08:48 pm »
Yeah, same problem I'm having. This program is great, and used with jMemorize i think the two cover the things I want them to.

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Re: A very good alternative to jMemorize. Flash card software.
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2010, 10:17:58 pm »
Yeah, same problem I'm having. This program is great, and used with jMemorize i think the two cover the things I want them to.

What deck are you using for your JMemorize program?

This is what i have.
I hope i'm using an updated version i found somewhere in the forums... so i won't be left out on vocabulary.
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Re: A very good alternative to jMemorize. Flash card software.
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2010, 10:21:59 pm »
Im just using a basic ~450 card deck i picked up here like the second day the forums were up. I'll check out your decks there, thanks in advance :)

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Re: A very good alternative to jMemorize. Flash card software.
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2010, 08:43:48 am »
@ANiceSunset

Hmm it works fine here. Maybe try to go to File->Properties->Allowed learning options and make sure that English - Na'vi, Na'vi - english are checked. And then try to change in learning options

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Re: A very good alternative to jMemorize. Flash card software.
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2010, 09:11:56 am »
Yeah sorry guys, my fault. I had forgotten to check both direction for allowed learning modes when i created the module. Following the steps above should fix the problem. Im also cleaning up the list a little bit. Adding words to chapters so that you can learn clusters of words together. Im using the same system used in the sorted dictionary (E.g animals/plants/world). Im also cleaning up the cards and removing the word groups. (for example, "(v.) speak" will later be "to speak", makes it easier to type. 

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Re: A very good alternative to jMemorize. Flash card software.
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2010, 04:49:11 pm »
Great! I'll be keeping up with this for sure. Thanks :)

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Re: A very good alternative to jMemorize. Flash card software.
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2010, 04:53:04 pm »
Yeah same here!

I'll be waiting patiently!
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Re: A very good alternative to jMemorize. Flash card software.
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2010, 11:30:02 pm »
Hey Morten,

Attached is a Na'vi Verbs .csv file that I exported from MemoryLifter 2.2.  Maybe you could convert it to a .mlm file for everyone? 

Also could you tell me how to import a .xls file into MemoryLifter and create a .mlm file from it?

I noticed when I was creating my cards that you can attach sound files as the possible question source.  Perhaps when enough of the Na'vi words have been uploaded as audio we could create a new .mlm file where the Na'vi audio is spoken and you enter the english as a response?  Just a thought for down the road.

This is a great program, thanks for introducing it to the community.
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Re: A very good alternative to jMemorize. Flash card software.
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2010, 07:17:39 am »
Hey neotrekkerz. It's actually quite simple to import either comma separated, tab separated or semicolon separated values. Just go to edit-> import cards->from file. Make sure the right format  is chosen in the file format box (comma,tab, semicolon) and then press load file and you are done. sometimes the cards need a little cleaning up, but in the case of your file it worked like a charm! The file is attached to this reply

To everyone else, I'm sorry but cleaning up the 500 word file took longer than i expected. I started but suddenly my exam period hit me in the head like a brick wall, and now I'm busy studying my ass off. I will continue when im done with my exams. However if anyone is getting impatient i would be more than happy to upload what i have done so far so that someone else can take over. (And it would be cool to have the na'vi sounds in the final version as neotrekkerz mentioned.)

However if you guys are patient, I will save you all some boring editing, just let me know  :)

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Re: A very good alternative to jMemorize. Flash card software.
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2010, 10:40:45 pm »
I cleaned up a few of the cards for the English to Na'vi direction...  Things like tseng(e), I changed to have synonyms of tseng and tsenge...  Same for the pe+ and -pe words, and others with multiple ways of saying it.  Also took out a questionable word or two and fixed the spelling on some (tsaheylu for example).  I've still missed a number but this is a start.  With the default settings, when there is a card with multiple answers you get a chance to type all the possible answers in, but you only need one for it to be promoted.  You can change that to needing all correct.

I think TBH that it would be better to make a seperate lesson for the Na'vi to english...  Because what is given as the english isn't really what you want to go typing in.

However, ideally what I'd like is...

Question: Na'vi word
Answer: English word (Or one of possibilities)

Then give additional information such as part of speech, and any other details that are on the English to Na'vi cards.
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Re: A very good alternative to jMemorize. Flash card software.
« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2010, 12:14:29 am »
can't seem to upload any of the cards for this.  I always get an error message.  wich is a shame, since the program looks very useful
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Re: A very good alternative to jMemorize. Flash card software.
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2010, 01:34:11 pm »
Hey all,

I've attached two jmemorize files, one for the verbs and one for the nouns.  They are based off of Taronyu's excellent dictionary, but with a few notes:

1.  Aside from the direhorse, ikran, and toruk, none of the other plant or animal species have been included in the nouns.  I did this to focus on the more practical words.
2.  No proper names have been included for the same reason as above.
3.  Everything has been reduced down to a relatively clean format, with as little additional notation as possible.  Example:  fpom can be entered separately as peace or as well-being, but not (n.) well-being, peace.  This should make typing go smoothly.
4.  I revised my verbs list, adding a couple I missed before and fixing a typo or two.

You can do English to Na'vi or Na'vi to English or have them mixed by clicking "learning options..." under learning and selecting your preference under the "direction" area of the "learning mode" tab.  You can also have multiple choice by selecting it under the same tab.

Enjoy.
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Re: A very good alternative to jMemorize. Flash card software.
« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2010, 12:14:03 am »
Hey all,

I've attached two jmemorize files, one for the verbs and one for the nouns.  They are based off of Taronyu's excellent dictionary, but with a few notes:

1.  Aside from the direhorse, ikran, and toruk, none of the other plant or animal species have been included in the nouns.  I did this to focus on the more practical words.
2.  No proper names have been included for the same reason as above.
3.  Everything has been reduced down to a relatively clean format, with as little additional notation as possible.  Example:  fpom can be entered separately as peace or as well-being, but not (n.) well-being, peace.  This should make typing go smoothly.
4.  I revised my verbs list, adding a couple I missed before and fixing a typo or two.

You can do English to Na'vi or Na'vi to English or have them mixed by clicking "learning options..." under learning and selecting your preference under the "direction" area of the "learning mode" tab.  You can also have multiple choice by selecting it under the same tab.

Enjoy.




Those files are not working with my jmemorize I think those are for the memory lifter...but it would be sweet if you could make them work with jmemorize i would like to have cards of just the verbs.

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Re: A very good alternative to jMemorize. Flash card software.
« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2010, 03:54:13 am »
I just found out that Memorylifter has made an app for iphone. I dont have iphone myself so i havent checked it out, but maybe some of you guys have one? you can get it from apple store i think (there is a link on memorylifter.com)

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Re: A very good alternative to jMemorize. Flash card software.
« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2010, 01:39:13 am »
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Those files are not working with my jmemorize I think those are for the memory lifter...but it would be sweet if you could make them work with jmemorize i would like to have cards of just the verbs.

Hey vrrtep,

Apologies, those are memory lifter files.  For some reason I can't get jmemorize to work on my computer.  I've attached the .csv versions of the two files.  I don't know if you'll be able to import these into jmemorize, but hopefully someone using it can make it work.
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Re: A very good alternative to jMemorize. Flash card software.
« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2010, 10:37:39 am »
Thank you for the flash card lists!

I have very briefly tried jMemorize and Anki, but then I started using http://quizlet.com/1620585/navi-nouns-flash-cards/ and haven't gone back.

Pros and cons of desktop software:
+ statistics
+ powerful configuration options, where it gives you some words at the start, remembers ones you have trouble with, and gradually gives you more (Quizlet can't do this)
+ Anki at least has many settings about how many new words to learn a day, and how long your session is, so you don't get burnt out
- sharing decks is not always easy, with different formats. also, if the author of a deck modifies it, all users have to download it again to get the updates
- userbase sharded among different applications, causing compatibility issues
+ could theoretically have audio attached

Pros and cons of Quizlet:
+ extremely easy to share new Quizlets with the community http://quizlet.com/group/49561/
+ different modes, including a test mode (that is actually fun, bizarrely) that generates all different kinds of questions (true/false, multiple choice, matching, answer)
+ game modes!!!
+ very easy to switch between Na'vi-->English and English-->Na'vi in any of the modes
+ you type in the word. It also gives you buttons for the ì characters and such
+ pretty
+ has option to show whole card so you can flip through them
+ has option to look at the whole list
+ has options for exporting (to text .csv, etc), including printing them out on a sheet of 8.5x11 paper and making your own IRL flashcards
- does not appear to track statistics
- does not remember what words you have the most trouble with in order to give them to you more--tests your easy words as much as your hard ones
+ we could replicate the "gradually gives you more cards as you get better" functionality of the desktop apps by chopping up the larger Na'vi decks into smaller pieces, since quizlet allows you to scoop up and practice with multiple decks at once
- I don't think it has the ability to integrate audio.


Do you guys have any more comments about why you like the desktop applications? Do you find the statistics / "new level box" stuff useful? Have you tried out Quizlet?

I've become kind of obsessed with Quizlet, haha. I love living in the cloud. The internet is amazing! Now all I want is an iphone app for Quizlet that lets me download my favorite lists and have them even when I'm not connected to the internet =D

 

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