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An Annotated Dictionary (Draft update 04 August 2018)
« on: August 31, 2014, 11:18:56 am »
Ma frapo,

this began merely as a side project for me to practice a bit in LaTeX … but it grew and grew. :-[ I am now at the letter p. It’s meant as a (off-line) reference dictionary with example sentences (although the blue links after each example sentence are active).

As I said, it’s not completed and some of the notation might change during the process … I’ll leave the fine detail for the final edit.

Also, while skimming through it now, I noticed that the sorting is not consistant in all places. I took the Na’vi Alphabet quite literal but especially with the diphthongs it gets weird at times :P

Just a work in progress but maybe even now, it might help people.

Ayngaru prrte’ lu. Tìkangkem var.


Addendum: For the whole, here’s the direct link to the download

Updated version, 04 August, 2018 (new blog entry added).



publication history
edit: letter P added (14-09-27)
edit: letters PX and R added (14-10-20)
edit: letter S added (15-01-06)
edit: revised draft and letter T added (15-01-22)
letter TX added (15-01-25)
letter TS added (15-03-27)
letter U added (15-03-28)
letters V & W added (15-04-04)
letters Y & Z added (15-04-23)
Introduction to IPA, word classes, abbreviations (15-08-06)
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Re: An Annotated Dictionary (Draft)
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2014, 11:34:58 am »
Fìpuk aylì'uä leiu txantsan! Fì'u aynumeyur sì oer srung sayi. Etrìpa syayvi!

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Re: An Annotated Dictionary (Draft)
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2014, 11:38:16 am »
O my god this is nothing short of FANTASTIC. :o :D

A big huge +1 to you for excellent work. I'm glad to hear the work continues!

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Re: An Annotated Dictionary (Draft)
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2014, 11:49:38 am »
HOLY TORUK, ma Stefan, I see what you created there! This is just WOEIU! :D :D :D
This kind of dictionary is exacly that what I'm looking for! Apxa karma ngaru nìtxan nang!

This file should be on the LN website!
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Re: An Annotated Dictionary (Draft)
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2014, 11:54:42 am »
Oh wow, this is great! :o I think having context together with the words is really important, so this is going to be so useful! :D :D

+1 from me of course, and I can't wait until it is finished! ;D
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Re: An Annotated Dictionary (Draft)
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2014, 12:06:22 pm »
HOLY TORUK, ma Stefan, I see what you created there! This is just WOEIU! :D :D :D
This kind of dictionary is exacly that what I'm looking for! Apxa karma ngaru nìtxan nang!

This file should be on the LN website!

I'll add it there when he's done. :D

If we can find a way to automate the generation of this file by expanding and modifying Eana Eltu, or writing a new software better than EE for this, then I'd say ladies and gentlemen, we may have found our new Learn Na'vi Dictionary.

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Re: An Annotated Dictionary (Draft)
« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2014, 12:09:38 pm »
If we can find a way to automate the generation of this file by expanding and modifying Eana Eltu, or writing a new software better than EE for this, then I'd say ladies and gentlemen, we may have found our new Learn Na'vi Dictionary.
That would be an excellent idea. :D

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Re: An Annotated Dictionary (Draft)
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2014, 12:13:05 pm »
I think having context together with the words is really important, so this is going to be so useful! :D :D
I've heard of studies disproving that myth (of context aiding retention).
However it'd certainly be nice to see HOW you use some words (like "pxel" and "na", "nume", etc).

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Re: An Annotated Dictionary (Draft)
« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2014, 12:26:20 pm »
If we can find a way to automate the generation of this file by expanding and modifying Eana Eltu, or writing a new software better than EE for this, then I'd say ladies and gentlemen, we may have found our new Learn Na'vi Dictionary.
That would be an excellent idea. :D
I second this! :D

BIG EDIT:
Tuiq was going to rewrite the EE anyway, as far as I can remember me. We would have the possibility to create a new software for this new dictionary.

EDIT 2:
Does this will be available in German, too?

EDIT 3:
This project added to the "project database" :D
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Re: An Annotated Dictionary (Draft)
« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2014, 12:56:50 pm »
’Ivong nìk’ong, ma frapo! ;D

I feel very honoured and grateful that you find it helpful and that you think ahead of what can be done. At the moment, I try not to think in too big steps ahead – for now, I just want to get through it in a pace that is comfortable to me. Part of the reason I decided to show it to you at this stage of the process is to motivate myself to get it done eventually (I won’t tell you when I started with this :P ) and maybe get help in finding typos, errors, etc. to improve on consistancy.

S and t will be a tremendous chunk of work (same as f and n were) and it will just take the time it will take. I hope you can all understand that. :) As I said, at the beginning it was just something to play with in LaTeX because I wanted to get more familiar with that program. I’m sure it can be applied for coding (or whatever it is called :P ) to Eana Eltu (some of it, I already know, looks familiar or is based in TeX). Some things would definitely be easier.


Will this be available in German, too?
That’s the only look ahead I allowed myself :P Yeah … eventually, I thought it would be ready for translation in German (and other languages) too.

Thank you all so much for your support, enthusiasm and kind words! It’s much appreciated. :)
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Re: An Annotated Dictionary (Draft)
« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2014, 02:02:01 pm »
I think we have to thank you for that awesome work you (will do) did! :D
Now, I do really wish to have this dictionary as a main dictionary on LN!

Btw, the used abbreviations, that have links to the sources:

B - Blog (Na'viteri.org)
LN - LearnNa'vi Forum
WIKI - LN Wikipedia
SEMPUL = MaSempul.org
A/WIKI = Avatar (movie) / LN Wikipedia
A/LN = Avatar (Movie) / LN Forum
PP = Pandorapedia.com
READING = Reading in Public (thereadinginpublicproject.blogspot.de)
THIS NIGHT = Why Is This Night (whyisthisnight.com)
G/LN = Game / LN Forum
NY/WIKI = New York Times / LN Wikipedia
A/B = Avatar (Movie) / Blog (Na'viteri.org)
G/B = Game / Blog (Na'viteri.org)
VF = Vanity Fair (vanityfair.com)
LL/A = Avatar (Movie) / Language Blog (languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu)
LEMON = Lemondrop (lemondrop.com)
LN/Ac = LN Forum / Avatar (Movie) / C = Cameron?
YT = YouTube
UGO = UGO pop culture comedy (ugo.com) [I get a 404 - the link is on page 40]
LL = Language Blog (languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu)

The links to their sources are lightyears better than the current dictionary! :)
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Re: An Annotated Dictionary (Draft)
« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2014, 02:20:08 pm »
Btw, the used abbreviations, that have links to the sources:
Of course, I plan to include a list of these in the final document ;) (it’s already there, just not included in the draft).
Maybe some of them are bit wordy … especially, the reading in public bit (just one sentence) or Why is this night…? Hmmm, have to think about that.




LN/Ac = LN Forum / Avatar (Movie) / C = Cameron?

UGO = UGO pop culture comedy (ugo.com) [I get a 404 - the link is on page 40]

Ac is meant as a line from the movie that was cut or is included in the deleted scenes.

Huh, about that UGO page … that’s always my greatest fear: that links disappear. We have this particular bit on the LN wiki page, so I changed the link to that. Good catch. Thanks for the hint.

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Re: An Annotated Dictionary (Draft)
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2014, 02:49:26 pm »
Great idea to add examples into dictionary! Big applause!
We really need to add these samples also into main directory.
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Re: An Annotated Dictionary (Draft)
« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2014, 05:53:25 pm »
Is the vocab for this being drawn from the master wordlist?

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Re: An Annotated Dictionary (Draft)
« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2014, 06:27:49 pm »
Is the vocab for this being drawn from the master wordlist?

I saw Eywa in there, so it's not from our public SQL file for projects. It's either hand-compiled from the Learn Na'vi PDF, or possibly derived from Dict-Na'vi database.

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Re: An Annotated Dictionary (Draft)
« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2014, 12:11:25 pm »
Is the vocab for this being drawn from the master wordlist?

I saw Eywa in there, so it's not from our public SQL file for projects. It's either hand-compiled from the Learn Na'vi PDF, or possibly derived from Dict-Na'vi database.

A little bit of everything ;)
I took the main chunk off the wiki vocab list, compared that with the dict-na’vi lists and tweaked some of the entries due to the afore-mentioned problems with diphthong sorting.
If I crossed some line, please tell me so. Every contribution will be duly noted in the final draft … whenever that will be :P

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Re: An Annotated Dictionary (Draft)
« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2014, 03:17:06 pm »
Weieieieieieieieieiou!!

Lì'puk ngeyä lu txantsan nìwotx nang nang nang!

This may be the most significant document to come along in the community since Horen!

I see you have combined all the auxillary word lists into one wordlist. Although I am not 100% sure the inflections should be there, it is absolutely great to see things like loanwords, flora and fauna in the dictionary again.

I will join with Tirea Aean in hoping this can be linked somehow to an EE-like database to enable all the good things that EE has brought us, with some badly needed improvements. (Tuiq has all but dropped development of a new EE for now).

Are you using a template or something like that? This is the kind of format I have always envisioned for the Dothraki and Valyrian dictionaries (the latter of which have never gotten off the ground due to limitations in EE). I would like to use it, if that is OK with you. (I'm still quite new to LaTeX as well.)

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Re: An Annotated Dictionary (Draft)
« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2014, 08:53:51 pm »
Weieieieieieieieieiou!!
ei goes before the last vowel. ;)

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Lì'puk ngeyä lu txantsan nìwotx nang nang nang!

This may be the most significant document to come along in the community since Horen!

I'd probably agree. If Plumps finishes this, this shall be my favourite dictionary file of all time.

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I see you have combined all the auxillary word lists into one wordlist. Although I am not 100% sure the inflections should be there,

Auxiliary word lists? I'm not sure I follow. Do you mean he took all the appendices of the LN PDF and combined them into one main block? I did notice, however, that all the prefixes, infixes and suffixes were in there. I'm not sure how I feel about that either, but I'm actually leaning towards happy about it.

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it is absolutely great to see things like loanwords, flora and fauna in the dictionary again.

They're in our dictionary, in their separate appendices. They're just not in the projects (Thanks to Tuiq making it that way on purpose such that EE doesn't dump ALL words, just what he thought would be useful for apps and projecs.)

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I will join with Tirea Aean in hoping this can be linked somehow to an EE-like database to enable all the good things that EE has brought us, with some badly needed improvements.

:D Yeah, EE is great and all, but it really could use some improvement. I wonder if even I can ever get around to coming up with a better idea that's more simple and effective and can somehow be responsible for generating something of this caliber.. hmmmm... Backburner project, I think.

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(Tuiq has all but dropped development of a new EE for now).
:(

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This is the kind of format I have always envisioned for the Dothraki and Valyrian dictionaries (the latter of which have never gotten off the ground due to limitations in EE). I would like to use it, if that is OK with you. (I'm still quite new to LaTeX as well.)

Stupid lack of macron support! ;D

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Re: An Annotated Dictionary (Draft)
« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2014, 12:58:20 am »
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I will join with Tirea Aean in hoping this can be linked somehow to an EE-like database to enable all the good things that EE has brought us, with some badly needed improvements.
:D Yeah, EE is great and all, but it really could use some improvement. I wonder if even I can ever get around to coming up with a better idea that's more simple and effective and can somehow be responsible for generating something of this caliber.. hmmmm... Backburner project, I think.
Theoretically, there need just some modification in the part, where the words and all will be parsed as PDF. Plus, the fields must have some more boxes for enter sentences reference links etc.
But, It is just a pain in the txìm to write words in a code monster as in \word{kaltxì}{their IPA}....
There should be such things like this

^I wrote this originally in HTML, but I used a screenshot not to break something here :S

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Re: An Annotated Dictionary (Draft)
« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2014, 03:10:13 am »
I like this. It has the potential to be a lot more flexible than EE. It alos looks like it can be easily adapted for Dothraki, Valyrian, and I am sure other languages as well.

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