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Re: Avatar Trailer with Na'vi Subtitles Discussion.
« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2010, 10:22:12 am »
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You are right though, the proper Na'vi transcription would be Tseyksali. Hmm, anyone in need of a forum name?
"Sali" as "Sully"? If you were right "kansìp" would be instead of "kunsìp", don't you think so? Frommer's mistake? It's interesting.

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It does.

"a krr" translates to "that time" which is synonymous with "when" (non question form).
"a lun" translates to "that reason" which is synonymous with "why" (again, not a question).

So, yes, "a lun" does mean "why".
So does "futa lun" mean "this thing why" and "this thing which reason"?

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Re: Avatar Trailer with Na'vi Subtitles Discussion.
« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2010, 12:07:15 pm »
"Sali" as "Sully"? If you were right "kansìp" would be instead of "kunsìp", don't you think so? Frommer's mistake? It's interesting.

That's an interesting point (the gunship transcription, I mean) -- I wonder how it came to be. But the fact remains that [a] is closer to [ʌ] than [ u ]. These are their respective articulatory properties:

[a]: open, front, unrounded
[ʌ]: open, mid back, unrounded
[ u ]: close, back, rounded

Even if you consider mid-back and back equal, that's just one matching property versus two.


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Re: Avatar Trailer with Na'vi Subtitles Discussion.
« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2010, 12:21:27 pm »
We need to get the word out there that this was made. Make in viral, send it to everyone you know.
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Re: Avatar Trailer with Na'vi Subtitles Discussion.
« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2010, 12:31:43 pm »
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Re: Avatar Trailer with Na'vi Subtitles Discussion.
« Reply #24 on: February 11, 2010, 03:01:54 pm »
So does "futa lun" mean "this thing why" and "this thing which reason"?

Well, "fwa" = "fì'u + a" and "futa" = "fì'u + t + a"

So "fwa" mean "this thing which" and "futa" means "this things which-ERG". "Fwa" is used with intransitive verbs and "futa" is used with transitive verbs.

So, "futa lun" could mean "this thing which reason" but it's no different than "fwa lun" it just depends on the verb you're using.

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Re: Avatar Trailer with Na'vi Subtitles Discussion.
« Reply #25 on: February 11, 2010, 03:06:29 pm »
I of course ment "fwa", no "futa"... although there's no diffrence between them. I ment if there was any diffrence between "this thing why" and "this thing which reason". Is there any?

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Re: Avatar Trailer with Na'vi Subtitles Discussion.
« Reply #26 on: February 11, 2010, 03:15:25 pm »
I like the new words
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Re: Avatar Trailer with Na'vi Subtitles Discussion.
« Reply #27 on: February 11, 2010, 03:22:24 pm »
I of course ment "fwa", no "futa"... although there's no diffrence between them. I ment if there was any diffrence between "this thing why" and "this thing which reason". Is there any?

Not really, no.

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Re: Avatar Trailer with Na'vi Subtitles Discussion.
« Reply #28 on: February 11, 2010, 03:29:55 pm »
OK, thx...

So: why did Terminator become Fngaptutespangyu? Wouldn't be Fngaptutetspangyu or just Fngaptspangyu? (shorter = better)
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Re: Avatar Trailer with Na'vi Subtitles Discussion.
« Reply #29 on: February 11, 2010, 04:17:46 pm »
OK, thx...

So: why did Terminator become Fngaptutespangyu? Wouldn't be Fngaptutetspangyu oraz just Fngaptspangyu? (shorter = better)

Not sure, I didn't come up with the word and didn't look at it that closely. I kinda like Fngaptspangyu better as well.

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Re: Avatar Trailer with Na'vi Subtitles Discussion.
« Reply #30 on: February 11, 2010, 04:25:54 pm »
imho Fngaptute(t)spangyu could also be misinterpreted easier. You could also understand it as killer of Fngaptute.

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Re: Avatar Trailer with Na'vi Subtitles Discussion.
« Reply #31 on: February 12, 2010, 03:34:22 am »
Yes. But Fngaptspangyu can be also understood as "killer of metal". In sum, I think the best way is: Tspangyu Lefngap. It cannot be misunderstood.

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Re: Avatar Trailer with Na'vi Subtitles Discussion.
« Reply #32 on: February 12, 2010, 04:41:35 am »
Tspangyu Lefngap

I like that. How about Tspangtu Lefngaptokx? The "metal-bodied killerperson"?
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Re: Avatar Trailer with Na'vi Subtitles Discussion.
« Reply #33 on: February 12, 2010, 04:57:22 am »
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I like that. How about Tspangtu Lefngaptokx? The "metal-bodied killerperson"?
I think we add -tu to nouns. When we want to create noun from verb we use -yu. And I'm not sure if we can use le- with fngaptokx. Maybe it's even correct, I'm not sure. However, I think, that Tspangyu Fngaptokxmì is also interesting.

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Re: Avatar Trailer with Na'vi Subtitles Discussion.
« Reply #34 on: February 12, 2010, 05:12:09 am »
I think we add -tu to nouns. When we want to create noun from verb we use -yu. And I'm not sure if we can use le- with fngaptokx. Maybe it's even correct, I'm not sure. However, I think, that Tspangyu Fngaptokxmì is also interesting.

No, spe'etu (prisoner) for example is formed from the verb spe'e (capture). The way i see it, -yu is simply an agent marker, like the English -er, and -tu is more like man/person. For example, destroyer could be a force of nature, an animal, or even a man-o'-war, so I'd use -yu with it, whereas werewolf would definitely merit a -tu. And terminator too, on the basis of its artificial "mind".
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Re: Avatar Trailer with Na'vi Subtitles Discussion.
« Reply #35 on: February 12, 2010, 05:27:30 am »
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No, spe'etu (prisoner) for example is formed from the verb spe'e (capture).
Yes... But spe'etu doesn't mean "a person, who capture", but "a person, who is captured"! When we mean "captor" we would say: spe'eyu

And yes, -yu means English "-er". So I don't know why we cannot use it with tspang. Tspangyu is not less correct than taronyu or other word with -yu.

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Re: Avatar Trailer with Na'vi Subtitles Discussion.
« Reply #36 on: February 12, 2010, 06:00:51 am »
Yes... But spe'etu doesn't mean "a person, who capture", but "a person, who is captured"! When we mean "captor" we would say: spe'eyu

And yes, -yu means English "-er". So I don't know why we cannot use it with tspang. Tspangyu is not less correct than taronyu or other word with -yu.

I never implied that tspangyu was incorrect, I simply tried to convey the intelligent (person-like) qualities of a cyborg with the use of the -tu. The fact that I want to attach it to a verb and still have it retain its agentive connotation might render it invalid, though. So here's another attempt: Tspangyu Fngaptute (killer metalman).
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Re: Avatar Trailer with Na'vi Subtitles Discussion.
« Reply #37 on: February 12, 2010, 08:20:25 am »
Tspangtu is defenitely creative but I it would more accurately translate to "victim" or "casualty" than killer-person.

I think lefngapa tspangyu[/p] would be an adequate translation or even lefngapa tutespangyu (metallic murderer). However, when it comes to proper names there's a lot of room for fudging and the use of Terminator in this situation DEFENITELY qualifies as a proper name, so that why I didn't question fngaptutespangyu, I know it can be miss-understood but I don't think it's critical. It's one of those beautiful things about language, it adapts and grows entirely from use. Words are defined by their use.

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Re: Avatar Trailer with Na'vi Subtitles Discussion.
« Reply #38 on: February 13, 2010, 03:19:32 pm »
Please forgives, but I'd thought,

-yu indicates perpetrator of ___, taron with -yu becomes taronyu (hunter)

-tu indicates the victim of ___,  taron with -tu becomes tarontu (prey)

Was I right in this?

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Re: Avatar Trailer with Na'vi Subtitles Discussion.
« Reply #39 on: February 13, 2010, 04:23:13 pm »
Please forgives, but I'd thought,

-yu indicates perpetrator of ___, taron with -yu becomes taronyu (hunter)

-tu indicates the victim of ___,  taron with -tu becomes tarontu (prey)

Was I right in this?

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