Avatar Trailer with Na'vi Subtitles Discussion.

Ftiafpi · February 10, 2010, 09:20:48 AM

Hey guys, so a few of us have just finished our little project of putting Na'vi subtitles on the Avatar trailer. It came out awesome and you can check the trailer out here: Avatar Trailer | Na'vi subtitles [HD]

Anyway, the purpose of this thread is for discussion of the subtitles themselves and anything else relevant to this little endeavor. Here is a transcription of the subtitles:

You Jake Sully?
Nga Jakesully lu srak?
I'd like to talk to you about a fresh start, on a new world.
Oe new pivlltxe ngaru teri sngä'i amip, mì mipa kifkey.
You'd be making a difference.
Nga sivi tìlatem layu.

I became a marine for the hardship.
Oel slamu tsamsiyu fpi tìfpeio.
Told myself I could pass any test a man can pass.
Oe päpemeng san tsun oe emziva'u nìwotx tìfmetokit a tsun tute emzìva'u sìk.
All I ever wanted was a single thing worth fighting for.
Oel nì'aw namew 'aw'ut a pxan tsam sivi.

Ladies and gentlemen you're not in Kansas anymore.
Ma sute sì ma sutean, aynga ke terok kea mì Kansas set
You're on Pandora.
Nga Eywa'eveng tok.

You should see your faces.
Menga tsäpive'a.

We have an indigenous population called the Na'vi.
Awngaru pongu lu a syaw fko ayforu Na'vi.
They are very hard to kill.
Fo lu fwa tspivang ke niftue.

This is why were here.
Awnga fìtsenge tok fpi fwa lun lu
Because this little gray rock sells for 20 million a kilo.
Talun fìtskxe ahì'i txan fra-kilo lu.
Their village happens to be resting on the richest deposit and they need to relocate.
Foyä kelku 'em lu tseng a pxaya ayskxe tok ulte fo zene rivikx.
Those savages are threatening our whole operation.
Faysutel akawng skirva'a awngeyä tìkangkemit.
We're on the brink of war and you're supposed to be finding a diplomatic solution.
Awnga tsam lìyevu ulte zene ngal tìmllteti lefpom rivun.

Spoiler

The concept is to drive these remotely controlled bodies called avatars.
Säronsemsi lu fwa tsahaylu si sokxur alìm a fayu syaw fko ayuniltìrantokx.
They're grown from human DNA mixed with DNA of the natives.
Foti ngop fa ayhapxì a sokx sawtuteyä sì Na'viyä lu.

A marine in an avatar body. That's a potent mix.
Tsamsiyu mì uniltìrantokx. Fì'u txur 'awsiteng lu.
You get me what I need I'll see to it that you get your legs back, your real legs.
Ngal oeru tivìng futa oe kin ulte oe srung sayi ngaru fte slayu ngaru mehinam ngeyä nìmun. Ngeyä mehinam angay.

Hell yea sir.
Srane nang, ngengaru!

Looks like you.
Fì'u leram nìnga.
This is your avatar.
Fì'u ngayä uniltìrantokx lu.

Just relax and let your mind go blank.
Mawey nga slu ulte ke ronsem si.
That shouldn't be hard for you.
Tsakem ftue lìyevu ngaru.

Woo!
No translation needed.

[20th Century Fox Presents]
Mevofuve Century Fox wirvìntxu

Jake, it's real simple.
Ma Jake, fìkem ftue lu nìtxan.
I want you to learn from the inside, I want you to gain their trust.
Oe new nga nivume ta tseng a mì feyä olo', oe new nga slivu feyä tsmukan.

You should not be here.
Nga kea mì fìtsenge ke tivängok.
Go back.
Kivä ne'ìm.
All this is your fault.
Nìwotx fì'u längu taluna ngeyä kem.

I need your help.
Oel ngeyä srungit kin.

Outstanding.
Txantsan.

You haven't gotten lost in the woods have you?
Ke slolu ngaru kea fya mì na'ring srak?
Did you forget which team you were playing for?
Ngal ke ivomum kea futa fpi fìpongu nga uvan seri srak?

The strong prey on the weak, and nobody does a thing.
Tìtxurìl taron meypit, ulte kawtu ke kem si.

You've got one hour.
Ngaru 'aw san hour sìk lu.

You knew this would happen?
Ngal amomum futa fìkem slayu srak?

Everything changed.
Fra'u lamatem.

Jake it's crazy here. Quaritch is rolling and there's no stopping him.
Ma Jake, mì fìtsenge keye'ung lu. Quaritch meraktängo ulte ke'ul ftirvang kea pot.

We're going up against gunships with bows and arrows.
Awngal 'ereko hunsìpit fa aysko sì ayswizaw.

Well then I guess we better stop him.
Tafral oel fpìl futa zene awnga ftivang pot.

[From James Cameron]
Ta James Cameron

[The director of Terminator]
Fyamenarieyktanyu ta Fngaptutespangyu

Spoiler: Fyamenarieyktan

Spoiler: Fngaptutespangyu

[Aliens]
Ayhetuwong

[Terminator 2]
Fngaptutespangyu Mune

[True Lies]
Ngay Sìtslengpeng

[Titanic]
Titanic

[Avatar]
Uniltìrantokx

[Written and Directed by James Cameron]
Unilì'u sì Fyamenarieyktan samì ta James Cameron

They've sent us a message.
Fol 'upxaret fpole' awngar
That they can take whatever they want.
Tsun mivunge futa fo new.
But we will send them a message.
Slä awngal 'upxaret fpìye' for
That this, this is our land.
Fìtsenge...
Fìtsenge awngeyä!

Thanks to: Fitafpi, Skxawng, Nume fpi sänume, omängum fra'uti, Tirea Aean, Tseyk Tìriuä and Txur`Itan for helping out with the translations. Thanks to Seabass for doing the video editing.

zakovirka · February 10, 2010, 09:48:41 AM

Well done :)Nice work.But i have question about "mevofuve"=>mevol=20,mevofu=26.Can you investigate it plz about mevofuve?

Robert Nantangä Tirea · February 10, 2010, 09:53:16 AM

Ma sute sì ma sutean, aynga ke terok kea mì Kansas set

Um, double negative? I think it should be aynga ke lu mi Kansas set OR aynga lu kea mì Kansas set BUT in the second one I am suspicious of the use of kea adjective on an adposition (mì). So I would go with the first. I know it's kinda late now that it's been made but just saying.

Also, where are you getting the word Tanul?

Haven't finished looking over the whole thing yet.

Nyx · February 10, 2010, 10:00:40 AM

Haha I love that you translated the movie titles too. Normally I can't stand translated titles, but this was just hilarious.

Also, it's funny how, in a language with less than 1000 words, you can make subtitles more accurate than most of those I've seen in "real" languages. Great job! Now you just have to build a cinema on Pandora and teach the Na'vi to read.

Meuia te Stxeli Tstew'itan · February 10, 2010, 10:14:52 AM

Next step: Na'vi dub ¬¬

Kemaweyan · February 10, 2010, 10:21:13 AM

Is here new words from Frommer or that is fun art?

Thorinbur · February 10, 2010, 10:23:34 AM

There is an error!

20th Century Fox Presents]
Mevofuve Century Fox wirvìntxu

Mevofu is 26₈ = 22₁₀

It should be: Mevosìng (24₈ = 20₁₀)

And why -ve suffix? Does it work as english -th suffix?

Ftiafpi · February 10, 2010, 10:36:35 AM

Quote from: Thorinbur on February 10, 2010, 10:23:34 AM
There is an error!

20th Century Fox Presents]
Mevofuve Century Fox wirvìntxu

Mevofu is 26₈ = 22₁₀

It should be: Mevosìng (24₈ = 20₁₀)

And why -ve suffix? Does it work as english -th suffix?

This is what I get for not checking someone's translation. You're totally correct.

Quote from: Kemaweyan on February 10, 2010, 10:21:13 AM
Is here new words from Frommer or that is fun art?

No new words, just for fun.

Kemaweyan · February 10, 2010, 11:02:10 AM

teri = "about"? Who created this word? Why there is not in dictionaries?

Sorry, I had not seen today's update of dictionary (Taronyu)

Ftiafpi · February 10, 2010, 11:15:06 AM

Quote from: Robert Nantangä Tirea on February 10, 2010, 09:53:16 AM
Ma sute sì ma sutean, aynga ke terok kea mì Kansas set

Um, double negative? I think it should be aynga ke lu mi Kansas set OR aynga lu kea mì Kansas set BUT in the second one I am suspicious of the use of kea adjective on an adposition (mì). So I would go with the first. I know it's kinda late now that it's been made but just saying.

Also, where are you getting the word Tanul?

Haven't finished looking over the whole thing yet.

The double negative is something that we have seen in Na'vi canon before and doesn't turn into a positive. This is obviously open to debate though. As for Tanul, where are you getting it from? I don't see that in there.

Kanu'an · February 10, 2010, 11:36:34 AM

I only whant to say, that you've done a great work. Bravo! I can't wait for subs to Avatar: The Film!

Hikyuuri · February 10, 2010, 04:34:40 PM

You should have seen these guys working on the translation. There were on the TeamSpeak server for 3 hours working at it. I was listening in on their discussion, and it was quite impressive how much effort they put into this.

Cans we get 1080p download plz?

tsrräfkxätu · February 11, 2010, 07:19:39 AM

Aaawesooome!!

The only thing I'd change is how you write Jake Sully in Na'vi. Based on how Tsu'tey and Mo'at pronounce it, it would rather be Jeyksuli. Or you could've simply left it in its original English from, as you did with Kansas and Titanic, but this halfway solution looks weird to me.

On a side note, I find it strange that the Omatikaya would transcribe Sully with a "u", when they have never seen it written down -- and probably can't read/write at all -- and a sound much closer to the English one ([a]) is readily available in their language -- i.e. Jeyksali.

Ataeghane · February 11, 2010, 08:26:49 AM

Frommer uses Tseyk for Jake

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QuoteThis is why were here.
Awnga fìtsenge tok fpi fwa lun lu

And isn't
Fì'ufpi ayoeng tok fìtseng(mì).
better solution?

Ftiafpi · February 11, 2010, 08:48:38 AM

Quote from: Ataeghane on February 11, 2010, 08:26:49 AM
Frommer uses Tseyk for Jake .

QuoteThis is why were here.
Awnga fìtsenge tok fpi fwa lun lu
And isn't
Fì'ufpi ayoeng tok fìtseng(mì).
better solution?

Well, since we figured that this was going to be read by predominantly English speaking humans that we were going to leave proper names as they would be spelled in English. We put them together though to match the subtitles in the movie.

As for Fì'u fpi awnga tok fìtsenge. Yeah, you could do it that way as well but we wanted to use "lun" (reason) to help convey that it's the reason that they are here.

Ataeghane · February 11, 2010, 09:01:18 AM

QuoteThis is why were here.
Awnga fìtsenge tok fpi fwa lun lu

So what does it mean literally? "We are here for the sake of this thing, why is."? I don't get it

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Ftiafpi · February 11, 2010, 09:10:50 AM

Quote from: Ataeghane on February 11, 2010, 09:01:18 AM
QuoteThis is why were here.
Awnga fìtsenge tok fpi fwa lun lu
So what does it mean literally? "We are here for the sake of this thing, why is."? I don't get it .

Awnga fìtsenge tok fpi fwa lun lu
We here exist for.the.sake.of this.thing.which reason be
This thing is the reason we're here.
This is why we're here.

There was a pretty lengthy discussion on this one. The lu is needed because without it the second clause would say "this thing reason" and without lu the whole sentence would say "This thing reason which we're here." Remember a good way to think of lu is as an equals sign. "This thing = reason (which we are here)". In this case, lu takes the place of the English "is".

Ataeghane · February 11, 2010, 09:23:53 AM

OK, I think I nearly got it. But I know "a krr" means "when". So why doesn't "a lun" mean "why"?

tsrräfkxätu · February 11, 2010, 09:41:26 AM

Quote from: Ataeghane on February 11, 2010, 08:26:49 AM
Frommer uses Tseyk for Jake .

And he's right to do so, as [ts] is the closest sound the Na'vi have to [dʒ] (i.e. the first sound of "Jake" in English). However, the characters pronounce his name with a [ʒ] (that can be found in azure and garage in some dialects), so the use of the foreign letter j is justified somewhat. You are right though, the proper Na'vi transcription would be Tseyksali. Hmm, anyone in need of a forum name?

Ftiafpi · February 11, 2010, 09:45:57 AM

Quote from: Ataeghane on February 11, 2010, 09:23:53 AM
OK, I think I nearly got it. But I know "a krr" means "when". So why doesn't "a lun" mean "why"?

It does.

"a krr" translates to "that time" which is synonymous with "when" (non question form).
"a lun" translates to "that reason" which is synonymous with "why" (again, not a question).

So, yes, "a lun" does mean "why".