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It's the Na'vi Grammar Tree!
« on: January 19, 2010, 07:21:29 pm »
okay, so I asked for help on this before posting it--and got none, so right or wrong, here it is. This is my "first take" on making visual examples (and trees work, for so many reasons) to help explain the concepts of Na'vi grammar, as endless reading of rules out of context are often far too confusing for the new student. The purpose of these (and future--corrected) illustrations is to assist the mind in processing the rules of grammar, NOT TO REPLACE THEM.

So naturally I am looking for feedback. Below are two basic images. they are far from perfect and far from complete, or even "correct," but I want help, and so I am posting them here to see if I can get some.

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Re: It's the Na'vi Grammar Tree!
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2010, 01:02:56 am »
I wish I was better at grammar to help you, but this could be the visual aid that makes it all click for me :D I love diagrams and this is AWESOME.

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Re: It's the Na'vi Grammar Tree!
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2010, 01:20:28 am »
WOW!

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Re: It's the Na'vi Grammar Tree!
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2010, 05:07:21 am »
Thank you thank you. Of course I just realize that in the crappy photo-editing software I am using I made the typo of "Grammar Tee" instead of "Grammar Tree." I think there are several visual applications using trees to go from root meaning (pun--sorry) to trunk (generic core word), to branches (specific intent or expression) and finally to the leaves (exact phraseology, voice inflection, hand gestures, body language).

For me, just looking at it this way helps see how words like Oeri, Oel, Ohe and Oeyä actually derive naturally from Oe. If I can ever get this basic formula down visually, I would like to do dozens of pages to show common words in expressive evolution so that people can really get a solid grasp of this whole grammar thing and not be so freaked out by "the math" (DAT ERG TOP and so on) before they really get a chance to enjoy speaking, or writing Na'vi outside of this forum. Hopefully we can get some help perfecting this.
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Re: It's the Na'vi Grammar Tree!
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2010, 11:23:17 am »
Oel is I, as the subject of an intransitive verb, oeti is me.  :)
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Re: It's the Na'vi Grammar Tree!
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2010, 02:10:33 pm »
Oel is I, as the subject of an intransitive verb, oeti is me.  :)

So you are saying that when a sentence is actually spoken (as there are no pencils on Pandora), when someone wants to say "I" ("I hunt yerik," "Not I!", or "I do! I do!", or something like "I like pie") it will always be oel, and when the sentence is more like "that party last night was so lame, some uniltìrantokx nagwng was stalking me ("oeti") all night," or "It affects me!" is oeti.

What I am looking to do is to take the common variations of a root word and show them in an evolutionary setting (from highly personal to personal to impersonal to interpersonal) visually for beginners, so they can see what they will be learning in grammar skool, rather than just throw a bunch of foreign concepts and arguments at them when they are trying to learn how to say "Make me a jelly sammich!" So with that in mind, any and all help is greatly appreciated.

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Re: It's the Na'vi Grammar Tree!
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2010, 04:32:32 pm »
"Those guys over there" XD

This is a good idea, just make sure you don't end up with a really tangled forest ;) If you want, I can help out with the image editing in the end, since I'm practically glued to photoshop anyway.

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Re: It's the Na'vi Grammar Tree!
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2010, 06:22:14 pm »
Great idea! :)
I guess this is the best attempt at explaining/visualizing the dual/inclusive/exclusive forms that I've ever seen ;)

Kawngä already hinted at a little error with oel and oeti, I've spotted another one. Oeri is not "my" but "I" as in "I (now let's talk about me) did that and that..."
"my" is oeyä

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Re: It's the Na'vi Grammar Tree!
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2010, 07:19:56 pm »
Great idea! :)
I guess this is the best attempt at explaining/visualizing the dual/inclusive/exclusive forms that I've ever seen ;)

Kawngä already hinted at a little error with oel and oeti, I've spotted another one. Oeri is not "my" but "I" as in "I (now let's talk about me) did that and that..."
"my" is oeyä


Okay, this is good. I like it. Now, to be MORE helpful, please give me more clear examples (e.g. change "this to that"). My mind accepts information easier when i do not have to hunt down meaning. Irayo aysmuktu Txan irayo.
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