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Slu alaksì tsaywon ne’ìm kelku, tawtute! Become ready to fly back home, Skyperson!
2 (1.4%)
Slu alaksì "to cry" sa'nuti, tawtutel! Become ready to cry to your Mommy, Skyperson!
0 (0%)
<fall(futur)> sawtutel ne kllte pxel skxet The Skypeople will fall to the ground like rocks.
1 (0.7%)
Oe ngaru layu toruk. I'll be the toruk (that comes for you).
3 (2.1%)
(Ay)oe rayol fpe (ay)ngeyä tìterkup ye'rìn. I/we will sing for your death soon
2 (1.4%)
Fenghrrap kolame ngeyä tìza'u. Tell-danger (a plant) saw your coming
1 (0.7%)
Fenghrrapìl ngaru peng awngeyä ultxat. The Tell-danger (planted) predicted our meeting
0 (0%)
Fìuvan <last> ngeyä (layu). This competiton will be your last
7 (4.9%)
Slayu ngeyä täftxu (undone). Your weaving will unravel.
8 (5.6%)
(ay)<queue>-ri(-r?) <eyk-ay-lose - as in lost item> (ay)oel (ay)ngat. You will lose your queue(s) because of me/us
0 (0%)
Oel ngati tivakuk ne kllte. I will strike you to the ground.
4 (2.8%)
Oel ngati ne kllte mivun'i. I will cut you to the ground.
0 (0%)
Skìyeva'a ngat oel. I will destroy you soon.
2 (1.4%)
Nga kepxan lu. You are not worthy
5 (3.5%)
Tsun aynga tswayon kelu kesyalhu ! You can't fly without wings !
2 (1.4%)
nga/ngenga-ru le-kxeyey l<iy><äng>u/l<iy><ei>u. You will fail
2 (1.4%)
nga/ngenga-ri l<iv>ok ne kllte. May you crash to the ground
2 (1.4%)
Ngal ikranit kä'em kayetsun. You won't be able to go on the ikran
1 (0.7%)
Ngal torukit kä'em kayetsun. You won't be able to go on the toruk
0 (0%)
Ngal ikranit kesi tsaheylu kayetsun. You won't be able to do tsaheylu to the ikran
0 (0%)
Ngal torukit kesi tsaheylu kayetsun. You won't be able to do tsaheylu to the toruk
1 (0.7%)
Ngari kayetsun toruk makto. You won't be the toruk rider.
0 (0%)
Palulukan has come for you.
2 (1.4%)
Nga Tawtutehu ke nulkrr tsam sayi. You will no longer make war with the Skypeople
0 (0%)
Kelutralìri kxanì nenga. The Hometree is forbidden to you
2 (1.4%)
Tawtutel ngati tspimang. Skypeople have just killed you
0 (0%)
Terkup skxawng! Die Moron!
0 (0%)
eywal kawtut nulnew, ftxalmey vay set poe. Eywa doesn't prefer anyone. She has already chosen.
2 (1.4%)
eywal kawtut nulnew, palme'un vay set poe. Eywa doesn't prefer anyone. She has already made the decision
0 (0%)
Ke layu ngaru tskxetutet leatan! You won't have the shiny rock person!
5 (3.5%)
Kehe. Kä ne’ìm! No. Go Back!
0 (0%)
Kllte lìyu peseng nga hahaw! The ground will soon be where you sleep!
1 (0.7%)
Kllte ngeyä tseng lu, oel mìyunge taw!. The ground is yours, I will take the sky!
3 (2.1%)
Fìtrr oeyä `u lìyu! This day will soon be mine!
4 (2.8%)
Ngeyä tireal ngati hayum! Your spirit will leave you!
0 (0%)
Kawkrr! Ngar layu fngaptute <shiny>. You will never have the shiny metal person
0 (0%)
Kawkrr nìmun ngeyä ikran tswìyon. Your banshee will fly no more.
2 (1.4%)
Collect all your gunships and get (the hell) out of here you demons from sky!
0 (0%)
(Ngeyä) Tsaheylut Molun'i, Äie Säpi. Imagine your queue, CUT!
0 (0%)
Fkol Ngeyä Tsaheylut Mìyun'i!. Your queue will be cut
1 (0.7%)
Peng Fizayur, Kaltxì. Say "Hello" to the ancestors (for me).
1 (0.7%)
Ngato nì'Ul Tel Tskxe! A rock wins more than you!
2 (1.4%)
nì'Ul Tel Tskxe! A rock wins more!
5 (3.5%)
Ka kifkey kayame ngat. I will see you across the world.
0 (0%)
Torukìl mìyunge ngat! Last Shadow's gonna take you!
3 (2.1%)
Ngeyä ikranìl "throw off/drop"‹ìy› ngat! Your banshee's gonna throw you off!
1 (0.7%)
txepìl ngeyä kelutralit niyevekx. May fire consume your hometree
2 (1.4%)
falulukanìl ngeyä ayolo'tut yiyevom. May thanators eat your clansmen.
2 (1.4%)
(nga) Eywahu ke lu pak! You aren't with Eywa!
4 (2.8%)
Klltel slìyu ngeyä tawit! The ground will soon become your sky!
4 (2.8%)
Tse'a ngati ìlä tireakifkey, (skxawng). See you in the Spirit World, Moron
2 (1.4%)
Tse'a ngati 'on' 'other' 'side'. See you on the other side.
2 (1.4%)
Äo Utral Aymokriyä nì'aw stìyawm mokrit ngeyä. You voice will only be heard beneath the Tree of Voices.
3 (2.1%)
Ngari ke pxan lìyu makto ngeyä Ikranit! You won't be worthy of riding your Ikran!
0 (0%)
Eywa ke nìyeu srivung ngaru mìsìrey! Even Eywa won't help you!
2 (1.4%)
Ngari kawkrr ke slu nì'awve! You will never become first!
0 (0%)
Oeyä tskori nga txopu sayi. About my bow, you will fear
1 (0.7%)
nga zìyeva'u uvan si fpi ke txoa. You will come play for the sake of no mercy
0 (0%)
nga zìyeva'u si uvan. Bring it on!
2 (1.4%)
nga ke ayemza'u ta sngä'i. You will not pass from the start
1 (0.7%)
Oe perey... I'm waiting
4 (2.8%)
get ready for some challenging competition/war. Alaksì lefpeio tsam lu??
0 (0%)
Nga ke flayä kawkrr. You will never succeed
3 (2.1%)
Ngaru <queue>hì'i lu. Your queue is small
1 (0.7%)
Ngaru ikran kawkrr tswayon. Your ikran will never fly
1 (0.7%)
ngal ikranit oeyä lrrtok seyki. You make my ikran smile
1 (0.7%)
Ngal kesun ke'uhu tsaheylu solängi. You can't bond with anything
4 (2.8%)
Oeru lu ngeyä kxetse!    Your tail is mine
17 (12%)
Ke'u ke tsun ngati zivong set. Nothing can save you now!
3 (2.1%)
Nga kìyä ne ke'u. You're going nowhere/to nothing
6 (4.2%)

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Re: LA Times - Na'vi Challenge - And the WINNER is...
« on: February 20, 2010, 03:26:58 am »
Quote from: Paul Frommer
Dear Community members of LearnNavi.org,

A full-page ad ran in the Los Angeles Times, "The Envelope" supplement, Wed., Feb. 10. It was for an iPhone app, "The Envelope App."

The graphic was an iPhone with the App going. This was the complete text:



      [PSEUDO-NA'VI, IN SINGLE QUOTES,
      ALL CAPS, LARGE FONT. 17 CHARACTERS ONLY.
]

      [SLIGHTLY SMALLER FONT, ALL CAPS]
       THAT'S NA'VI FOR
       YOU'RE GOING DOWN

      [Small type, upper/lower]
      Take on top film critics and writers in a
      race to predict who will win the Oscars.
      Get live news feeds from our entertainmen
      experts. Buy low. Sell high. Then beat
      them at their own game.

                       [LOGO]

             Los Angeles Times
            THE ENVELOPE APP
         Nominate yourself to win.

             Get it on your iPhone,
             free in the App Store.



So the challenge is, what can we say for "You're going down" (meaning: "You're going to LOSE!") niNa'vi?

Quote from: LAT Creative Director
"We would like a line that communicates 'you are going down' or 'you are going to lose'. This fits with the tone and spirit of our game. Please feel free to have fun with it.

"I can't wait to see what you come with. :) "

Quote from: Paul Frommer
Ideally the line should be something that fits in with Na'vi life and culture. The example I first thought of was, "Ikranìl yìyom ngeyä teylut" -- "An ikran is about to eat your teylu." But that's too derivative of the "eat your lunch" expression in English. The Community can come up with something much better.

Keep it short! And if there's a great concept but a vocabulary item or two is missing, not to worry--I'll fill in the blank.

The time frame is tight, since March 7 is fast approaching.

The reward is having your Na'vi published in the Los Angeles Times, even if it is an advertisement.

Fìtìkangkemìri, sìlpey oe, ayngaru prrte' livu!

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Submissions are complete. Please vote by 5:00 PM Sunday, 21 February (PST) over the weekend. The top items in terms of popularity will be submitted to Karyu Pawl for his final selection/decision. You may vote for 3 choices.
« Last Edit: February 22, 2010, 12:23:49 am by Prrton »

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Re: LA Times - Na'vi Challenge - POLL - Please vote
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2010, 04:17:01 am »
maybe someone should change/add the forum-news to link to this topic now

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Re: LA Times - Na'vi Challenge - POLL - Please vote
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2010, 04:32:17 am »
Will probably be added tomorrow. I dont have the power to add this to the news ticker.

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Re: LA Times - Na'vi Challenge - POLL - Please vote
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2010, 05:25:30 am »
So many of these are really violent! I like the playful ones, like "Your tail is mine." It's competitive, but wishes harm on no one. :)
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Re: LA Times - Na'vi Challenge - POLL - Please vote
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2010, 06:10:48 am »
So many of these are really violent!
I totally agree with you. But Na'vi aren't non-violent people. There should be a neutral way to say that.
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Re: LA Times - Na'vi Challenge - POLL - Please vote
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2010, 06:58:18 am »
wow that's a lot of entries.

Any suggestions on tidying the list up a bit? Maybe running several polls of 10 each eagainst eachother then running the leaders against eachother. I don't know if we have enough time for that though.

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Re: LA Times - Na'vi Challenge - POLL - Please vote
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2010, 07:56:31 am »
Thanks for organizing this.  In addition to sending Pawl the most popular ones, I suggest also pointing him to the thread; I think he'd be interested in seeing what his students are thinking about Na'vi culture, regardless of which one (if any) he picks for the ad.

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Re: LA Times - Na'vi Challenge - POLL - Please vote
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2010, 08:18:07 am »
My personal Favorite has to be: Tsun aynga tswayon kelu kesyalhu ! You can't fly without wings !

Its both evil and inspirational.
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Re: LA Times - Na'vi Challenge - POLL - Please vote
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2010, 09:28:17 am »
My personal Favorite has to be: Tsun aynga tswayon kelu kesyalhu ! You can't fly without wings !

Its both evil and inspirational.

It's my sentence! Irayo for the vote! ;D

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Re: LA Times - Na'vi Challenge - POLL - Please vote
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2010, 10:55:08 am »
I liked these:

Oe ngaru layu toruk. I'll be the toruk (that comes for you).
Kllte ngeyä tseng lu, oel mìyunge taw! The ground is yours, I will take the sky!

I think they've got a nice ring to them, and as idioms go, they feel very culturally-appropriate.

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Re: LA Times - Na'vi Challenge - POLL - Please vote
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2010, 06:27:25 pm »
Aren't the submissions only supposed to be 17 characters long? I think just about every one of them is longer than that.
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Re: LA Times - Na'vi Challenge - POLL - Please vote
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2010, 06:36:45 pm »
well my:

Fìtrr oeyä `u lìyu!

is if you don't count spaces =P

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Re: LA Times - Na'vi Challenge - POLL - Please vote
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2010, 08:31:04 pm »
In my original submission I included a modified version that's exactly seventeen characters (including spaces and punctuation! :) ).

I don't know how firm the limit is.  The ad copy suggests 17 max, but Pawl's example was larger than that.  So who knows?

... as usual, Pawl does. :)

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« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2010, 09:09:47 pm »
I was the first person to vote. I should have locked voting while I was in the lead! :)
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Re: LA Times - Na'vi Challenge - POLL - Please vote
« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2010, 01:33:52 am »
=.=" I've just submited my vote...
I can see most of the sentences are not realated to the Na'vi culture.
And after i saw the result, i gotta say...
'I don't think "Your tail is mine" is a good one."
also the vote developer didn't use the "MORE ALIEN" sentence, so it's just a simple sentence.
It should be fair. We're voting for the sentence but not for the writer.
The sentence shouldn't be change.

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Re: LA Times - Na'vi Challenge - POLL - Please vote
« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2010, 12:09:16 pm »
I don't want to diss peoples votes but, Come on why "your tail is mine" I really don't think that is a good substitute for "your going down" I would understand if it was the queue but the tail doesn't seem nearly as important and everyone who isn't learning na'vi will start thinking that the queues are tails.
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Re: LA Times - Na'vi Challenge - POLL - Please vote
« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2010, 12:28:53 pm »
I don't want to diss peoples votes but, Come on why "your tail is mine" I really don't think that is a good substitute for "your going down" I would understand if it was the queue but the tail doesn't seem nearly as important and everyone who isn't learning na'vi will start thinking that the queues are tails.

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Re: LA Times - Na'vi Challenge - POLL - Please vote
« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2010, 12:45:12 pm »
I deliberately chose "tail" rather than "queue" because grabbing someone's queue seemed to me like an extremely hostile act - as hostile as threatening to gouge out someone's eyes, or worse - and I wanted the expression to be taunting but not threatening.  Tail-grabbing, on the other hand, seems to me like a dominance-establishing act, similar to "counting coup", but with an even stronger aspect of maintaining an advantaged position over someone in a fight - if you have someone's tail, you undoubtedly have them at a very significant disadvantage, both positionally (you are behind them, you can see them but they can't see you) and manipulatively (you can control their large body movements to some degree, and you can probably inflict a great deal of pain, similar to what you can do to a human if you have a firm hold of their arm while it's pinned behind their back).

Also, in American English the word "tail" is also a reference to the word "butt", and the phrase "your butt is mine" (or more commonly "your a** is mine") is a phrase roughly meaning "I'm going to defeat you" or "you're going down".  The English phrase "your butt is mine" and the Na'vi phrase "I have your tail" have very different connotations, of course - the first is "I will defeat you and take your butt as a trophy" and the second is "I am in control of you".  But the meaning of the two idioms when used as a competitive taunt is the same: "you will lose".

So for two different reasons - one meaningful to Na'vi speakers, one meaningful to English speakers - I thought that "Oeru lu ngeyä kxetse!" would be a good choice.

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Re: LA Times - Na'vi Challenge - POLL - Please vote
« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2010, 12:51:19 pm »
Maybe "Kxetse" is not the right word. If it really means the-thing-for-tsaheylu, then "Oeru lu ngeyä kxetse!" is really threatening and agressive, and you didn't want that I believe. But if the word is not correct, Frommer will change it to return the right meaning of "tail", I hope.
I well imagine a children game; the goal being to catch or touch the tail of the others, while shouting "Nantang!" or something. ;D
« Last Edit: February 21, 2010, 01:09:41 pm by Skyinou »
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Re: LA Times - Na'vi Challenge - POLL - Please vote
« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2010, 01:02:29 pm »
Well, the Survival Guide word list gives kxetse as "tail".  Considering that the Na'vi have both queues and tails, I think if they had meant queue they would have said queue.  But you're quite right - if kxetse is really "queue", and K. Pawl wants to use "tail" instead, well then... he'll change it, and we'll learn two new words. :)

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« Last Edit: February 21, 2010, 01:04:34 pm by Erimeyz »

 

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