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Please read the LA Times - Na'vi Challenge rules then vote for your 3 favorites

Slu alaksì tsaywon ne’ìm kelku, tawtute! Become ready to fly back home, Skyperson!
2 (1.4%)
Slu alaksì "to cry" sa'nuti, tawtutel! Become ready to cry to your Mommy, Skyperson!
0 (0%)
<fall(futur)> sawtutel ne kllte pxel skxet The Skypeople will fall to the ground like rocks.
1 (0.7%)
Oe ngaru layu toruk. I'll be the toruk (that comes for you).
3 (2.1%)
(Ay)oe rayol fpe (ay)ngeyä tìterkup ye'rìn. I/we will sing for your death soon
2 (1.4%)
Fenghrrap kolame ngeyä tìza'u. Tell-danger (a plant) saw your coming
1 (0.7%)
Fenghrrapìl ngaru peng awngeyä ultxat. The Tell-danger (planted) predicted our meeting
0 (0%)
Fìuvan <last> ngeyä (layu). This competiton will be your last
7 (4.9%)
Slayu ngeyä täftxu (undone). Your weaving will unravel.
8 (5.6%)
(ay)<queue>-ri(-r?) <eyk-ay-lose - as in lost item> (ay)oel (ay)ngat. You will lose your queue(s) because of me/us
0 (0%)
Oel ngati tivakuk ne kllte. I will strike you to the ground.
4 (2.8%)
Oel ngati ne kllte mivun'i. I will cut you to the ground.
0 (0%)
Skìyeva'a ngat oel. I will destroy you soon.
2 (1.4%)
Nga kepxan lu. You are not worthy
5 (3.5%)
Tsun aynga tswayon kelu kesyalhu ! You can't fly without wings !
2 (1.4%)
nga/ngenga-ru le-kxeyey l<iy><äng>u/l<iy><ei>u. You will fail
2 (1.4%)
nga/ngenga-ri l<iv>ok ne kllte. May you crash to the ground
2 (1.4%)
Ngal ikranit kä'em kayetsun. You won't be able to go on the ikran
1 (0.7%)
Ngal torukit kä'em kayetsun. You won't be able to go on the toruk
0 (0%)
Ngal ikranit kesi tsaheylu kayetsun. You won't be able to do tsaheylu to the ikran
0 (0%)
Ngal torukit kesi tsaheylu kayetsun. You won't be able to do tsaheylu to the toruk
1 (0.7%)
Ngari kayetsun toruk makto. You won't be the toruk rider.
0 (0%)
Palulukan has come for you.
2 (1.4%)
Nga Tawtutehu ke nulkrr tsam sayi. You will no longer make war with the Skypeople
0 (0%)
Kelutralìri kxanì nenga. The Hometree is forbidden to you
2 (1.4%)
Tawtutel ngati tspimang. Skypeople have just killed you
0 (0%)
Terkup skxawng! Die Moron!
0 (0%)
eywal kawtut nulnew, ftxalmey vay set poe. Eywa doesn't prefer anyone. She has already chosen.
2 (1.4%)
eywal kawtut nulnew, palme'un vay set poe. Eywa doesn't prefer anyone. She has already made the decision
0 (0%)
Ke layu ngaru tskxetutet leatan! You won't have the shiny rock person!
5 (3.5%)
Kehe. Kä ne’ìm! No. Go Back!
0 (0%)
Kllte lìyu peseng nga hahaw! The ground will soon be where you sleep!
1 (0.7%)
Kllte ngeyä tseng lu, oel mìyunge taw!. The ground is yours, I will take the sky!
3 (2.1%)
Fìtrr oeyä `u lìyu! This day will soon be mine!
4 (2.8%)
Ngeyä tireal ngati hayum! Your spirit will leave you!
0 (0%)
Kawkrr! Ngar layu fngaptute <shiny>. You will never have the shiny metal person
0 (0%)
Kawkrr nìmun ngeyä ikran tswìyon. Your banshee will fly no more.
2 (1.4%)
Collect all your gunships and get (the hell) out of here you demons from sky!
0 (0%)
(Ngeyä) Tsaheylut Molun'i, Äie Säpi. Imagine your queue, CUT!
0 (0%)
Fkol Ngeyä Tsaheylut Mìyun'i!. Your queue will be cut
1 (0.7%)
Peng Fizayur, Kaltxì. Say "Hello" to the ancestors (for me).
1 (0.7%)
Ngato nì'Ul Tel Tskxe! A rock wins more than you!
2 (1.4%)
nì'Ul Tel Tskxe! A rock wins more!
5 (3.5%)
Ka kifkey kayame ngat. I will see you across the world.
0 (0%)
Torukìl mìyunge ngat! Last Shadow's gonna take you!
3 (2.1%)
Ngeyä ikranìl "throw off/drop"‹ìy› ngat! Your banshee's gonna throw you off!
1 (0.7%)
txepìl ngeyä kelutralit niyevekx. May fire consume your hometree
2 (1.4%)
falulukanìl ngeyä ayolo'tut yiyevom. May thanators eat your clansmen.
2 (1.4%)
(nga) Eywahu ke lu pak! You aren't with Eywa!
4 (2.8%)
Klltel slìyu ngeyä tawit! The ground will soon become your sky!
4 (2.8%)
Tse'a ngati ìlä tireakifkey, (skxawng). See you in the Spirit World, Moron
2 (1.4%)
Tse'a ngati 'on' 'other' 'side'. See you on the other side.
2 (1.4%)
Äo Utral Aymokriyä nì'aw stìyawm mokrit ngeyä. You voice will only be heard beneath the Tree of Voices.
3 (2.1%)
Ngari ke pxan lìyu makto ngeyä Ikranit! You won't be worthy of riding your Ikran!
0 (0%)
Eywa ke nìyeu srivung ngaru mìsìrey! Even Eywa won't help you!
2 (1.4%)
Ngari kawkrr ke slu nì'awve! You will never become first!
0 (0%)
Oeyä tskori nga txopu sayi. About my bow, you will fear
1 (0.7%)
nga zìyeva'u uvan si fpi ke txoa. You will come play for the sake of no mercy
0 (0%)
nga zìyeva'u si uvan. Bring it on!
2 (1.4%)
nga ke ayemza'u ta sngä'i. You will not pass from the start
1 (0.7%)
Oe perey... I'm waiting
4 (2.8%)
get ready for some challenging competition/war. Alaksì lefpeio tsam lu??
0 (0%)
Nga ke flayä kawkrr. You will never succeed
3 (2.1%)
Ngaru <queue>hì'i lu. Your queue is small
1 (0.7%)
Ngaru ikran kawkrr tswayon. Your ikran will never fly
1 (0.7%)
ngal ikranit oeyä lrrtok seyki. You make my ikran smile
1 (0.7%)
Ngal kesun ke'uhu tsaheylu solängi. You can't bond with anything
4 (2.8%)
Oeru lu ngeyä kxetse!    Your tail is mine
17 (12%)
Ke'u ke tsun ngati zivong set. Nothing can save you now!
3 (2.1%)
Nga kìyä ne ke'u. You're going nowhere/to nothing
6 (4.2%)

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Re: LA Times - Na'vi Challenge - POLL - Please vote
« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2010, 01:36:57 pm »
All of the commentary is helpful and I will take the suggestion to suggest that K. Pawl have a look (if he has the time).

My biggest concern is that not more people have voted!! There is only 1/2 a day to go on the deadline. I don't have any POWER to advertise this more broadly, so if anyone does, please DO.

I didn't create the deadline, K. Pawl did based on the publishing deadline.

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Re: LA Times - Na'vi Challenge - POLL - Please vote
« Reply #21 on: February 21, 2010, 02:25:45 pm »
All of the commentary is helpful and I will take the suggestion to suggest that K. Pawl have a look (if he has the time).

My biggest concern is that not more people have voted!! There is only 1/2 a day to go on the deadline. I don't have any POWER to advertise this more broadly, so if anyone does, please DO.

I didn't create the deadline, K. Pawl did based on the publishing deadline.

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Perhaps you should edit the OP of the original topic, that way if someone clicks on the news link they'll see the voting link right away.

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Re: LA Times - Na'vi Challenge - POLL - Please vote
« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2010, 02:52:14 pm »
I deliberately chose "tail" rather than "queue" because grabbing someone's queue seemed to me like an extremely hostile act - as hostile as threatening to gouge out someone's eyes, or worse - and I wanted the expression to be taunting but not threatening.  Tail-grabbing, on the other hand, seems to me like a dominance-establishing act, similar to "counting coup", but with an even stronger aspect of maintaining an advantaged position over someone in a fight - if you have someone's tail, you undoubtedly have them at a very significant disadvantage, both positionally (you are behind them, you can see them but they can't see you) and manipulatively (you can control their large body movements to some degree, and you can probably inflict a great deal of pain, similar to what you can do to a human if you have a firm hold of their arm while it's pinned behind their back).

Also, in American English the word "tail" is also a reference to the word "butt", and the phrase "your butt is mine" (or more commonly "your a** is mine") is a phrase roughly meaning "I'm going to defeat you" or "you're going down".  The English phrase "your butt is mine" and the Na'vi phrase "I have your tail" have very different connotations, of course - the first is "I will defeat you and take your butt as a trophy" and the second is "I am in control of you".  But the meaning of the two idioms when used as a competitive taunt is the same: "you will lose".

So for two different reasons - one meaningful to Na'vi speakers, one meaningful to English speakers - I thought that "Oeru lu ngeyä kxetse!" would be a good choice.

  - Eri


I am a native english speaker so I know that tail can be used to refer to the butt, however whenever I hear it used like that it is always in a sexual manner such as "chasing tail" or "getting some tail", I've never heard anyone say "I'm gonna kick your tail" which sounds just weird.

After your explanation I understand why you would use tail now but IMO unless there's going to be a whole paragraph explaining why tail was chosen on the ad, I don't think it will really have the same meaning to people outside of our community.

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Re: LA Times - Na'vi Challenge - POLL - Please vote
« Reply #23 on: February 21, 2010, 06:55:33 pm »
I deliberately chose "tail" rather than "queue" because grabbing someone's queue seemed to me like an extremely hostile act - as hostile as threatening to gouge out someone's eyes, or worse - and I wanted the expression to be taunting but not threatening.  Tail-grabbing, on the other hand, seems to me like a dominance-establishing act, similar to "counting coup", but with an even stronger aspect of maintaining an advantaged position over someone in a fight - if you have someone's tail, you undoubtedly have them at a very significant disadvantage, both positionally (you are behind them, you can see them but they can't see you) and manipulatively (you can control their large body movements to some degree, and you can probably inflict a great deal of pain, similar to what you can do to a human if you have a firm hold of their arm while it's pinned behind their back).

Also, in American English the word "tail" is also a reference to the word "butt", and the phrase "your butt is mine" (or more commonly "your a** is mine") is a phrase roughly meaning "I'm going to defeat you" or "you're going down".  The English phrase "your butt is mine" and the Na'vi phrase "I have your tail" have very different connotations, of course - the first is "I will defeat you and take your butt as a trophy" and the second is "I am in control of you".  But the meaning of the two idioms when used as a competitive taunt is the same: "you will lose".

So for two different reasons - one meaningful to Na'vi speakers, one meaningful to English speakers - I thought that "Oeru lu ngeyä kxetse!" would be a good choice.

  - Eri


I am a native english speaker so I know that tail can be used to refer to the butt, however whenever I hear it used like that it is always in a sexual manner such as "chasing tail" or "getting some tail", I've never heard anyone say "I'm gonna kick your tail" which sounds just weird.

After your explanation I understand why you would use tail now but IMO unless there's going to be a whole paragraph explaining why tail was chosen on the ad, I don't think it will really have the same meaning to people outside of our community.

sawtute reading future ad: "wtf?"

We only have a few minutes to go, so I'm going to throw in my opinion on the frontrunner as well and clarify again about the final selection process.

I agree that anything with "tail" in it could be quite controversial. However, anyone who's seen the film knows that the Na'vi all have tails, actual extensions of their vertebral column, so the "poetic license" may be able to more easily skew towards humor "ha ha" than humor "slapped face".

Based on what's happened with the numbers (and more on what HASN'T happened in terms of turnout), I'm planning on sending everything with 5 or more votes to K. Pawl. He will be the arbiter of what goes to the LA times for the ad AND, he'll modify the Na'vi language as necessary, possibly substituting words or grammar here and there. Of course, I'll encourage him again to look at all the comments before he makes his final decisions.

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Re: LA Times - Na'vi Challenge - POLL - Please vote
« Reply #24 on: February 21, 2010, 07:01:25 pm »

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Re: LA Times - Na'vi Challenge - And the WINNER is...
« Reply #25 on: February 22, 2010, 12:23:21 am »
Quote from: Paul Frommer
Congratulations to Eri!

'Oleyng nga nìltsan, ma Eri! Ngari Nawma Sa'nok lrrtok soleiyi.

Your entry in the "You're Going Down" contest, "Oeru lu ngeyä kxetse--Your tail is mine" was the clear winner!

I've already submitted it to the Los Angeles Times editor. The only revision I made was to change the word order to place more emphasis on the "mine":

Ngeyä kxetse lu oeru.

(The end of the sentence is where the "punch" comes.)

And thanks to everyone who entered and voted.

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Re: LA Times - Na'vi Challenge - And the WINNER is...
« Reply #26 on: February 22, 2010, 12:27:15 am »
I have to laugh.

After allthe crap I have taken for word placement, the good professor phrases it this way:

Your-->tail-->is-->mine. (Not tail mine is your, or is tail mine your). If he said "Ngeyä kxetse lu oeru."

I could actually understand what he said without having to unscramble the words. Yaay Pawl!
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Re: LA Times - Na'vi Challenge - And the WINNER is...
« Reply #27 on: February 22, 2010, 12:45:19 am »
I have to laugh.

After allthe crap I have taken for word placement, the good professor phrases it this way:

Your-->tail-->is-->mine. (Not tail mine is your, or is tail mine your). If he said "Ngeyä kxetse lu oeru."

I could actually understand what he said without having to unscramble the words. Yaay Pawl!

Well... "FREE" word order generally does mean "FREE". Nobody should be FORCED to Yoda-fy anything. ...Get it?, FORCEd...  ::)

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Re: LA Times - Na'vi Challenge - And the WINNER is...
« Reply #28 on: February 22, 2010, 12:48:29 am »
I know what free means--and I enforce it daily. I still get endless crap from the experts around here--and it is getting o-l-d.
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Re: LA Times - Na'vi Challenge - And the WINNER is...
« Reply #29 on: February 22, 2010, 01:50:25 am »
Congratulations, Erimeyz! You've not only won the challenge, but influenced the Na'vi language with a new idiom! What are your plans now? *holds out microphone.* ;)

But for realzies, so glad this phrase won. Totally deserving. ^-^
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Re: LA Times - Na'vi Challenge - And the WINNER is...
« Reply #30 on: February 22, 2010, 02:10:46 am »
awwww shucks one of my submisions was at 4 votes! so close =(

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Re: LA Times - Na'vi Challenge - And the WINNER is...
« Reply #31 on: February 22, 2010, 05:40:47 am »
Congratulations, Erimeyz! You've not only won the challenge, but influenced the Na'vi language with a new idiom! What are your plans now? *holds out microphone.* ;)

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Re: LA Times - Na'vi Challenge - And the WINNER is...
« Reply #32 on: February 22, 2010, 06:28:20 am »
Quote from: Paul Frommer
'Oleyng nga nìltsan, ma Eri! Ngari Nawma Sa'nok lrrtok soleiyi.

Ngaru seiyi oe irayo, ma Karyu.  Sìlpey oe, Nawma Sa'nok lrrtok siyevi frapori a tsaye'a tsaylì'u, fte nayew nivume nì’ul.

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Re: LA Times - Na'vi Challenge - And the WINNER is...
« Reply #33 on: February 22, 2010, 06:30:42 am »
Quote from: Paul Frommer
Congratulations to Eri!
(The end of the sentence is where the "punch" comes.)

By the way, is that a new discourse rule we've just been given?  It is, isn't it?

Yay!

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Re: LA Times - Na'vi Challenge - And the WINNER is...
« Reply #34 on: February 22, 2010, 08:14:18 am »
Congrats, Erimeyz! It really was a good phrase :D

And I have to add:
Nobody should be FORCED to Yoda-fy anything. ...Get it?, FORCEd...  ::)
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Re: LA Times - Na'vi Challenge - And the WINNER is...
« Reply #35 on: February 22, 2010, 08:42:00 am »
Wooohoo! This is great! Congrats everyone.

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Re: LA Times - Na'vi Challenge - And the WINNER is...
« Reply #36 on: February 22, 2010, 11:53:37 am »
By the way, is that a new discourse rule we've just been given?  It is, isn't it?

It is, so into the Canon it goes...
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Re: LA Times - Na'vi Challenge - And the WINNER is...
« Reply #37 on: February 22, 2010, 02:30:17 pm »
Tewti! That is indeed the deserving quote!  Brilliant!   ;D

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Re: LA Times - Na'vi Challenge - And the WINNER is...
« Reply #38 on: February 22, 2010, 05:18:15 pm »
awwww shucks one of my submisions was at 4 votes! so close =(
LOL! My submission was directly UNDER the winning vote--so technically I was closer to winning!  :D
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Re: Re: LA Times - Na'vi Challenge - And the WINNER is...
« Reply #39 on: February 22, 2010, 07:14:38 pm »
wierd pic
Quote from: Paul Frommer
Dear Community members of LearnNavi.org,

A full-page ad ran in the Los Angeles Times, "The Envelope" supplement, Wed., Feb. 10. It was for an iPhone app, "The Envelope App."

The graphic was an iPhone with the App going. This was the complete text:



      [PSEUDO-NA'VI, IN SINGLE QUOTES,
      ALL CAPS, LARGE FONT. 17 CHARACTERS ONLY.
]

      [SLIGHTLY SMALLER FONT, ALL CAPS]
       THAT'S NA'VI FOR
       YOU'RE GOING DOWN

      [Small type, upper/lower]
      Take on top film critics and writers in a
      race to predict who will win the Oscars.
      Get live news feeds from our entertainmen
      experts. Buy low. Sell high. Then beat
      them at their own game.

                       [LOGO]

             Los Angeles Times
            THE ENVELOPE APP
         Nominate yourself to win.

             Get it on your iPhone,
             free in the App Store.



So the challenge is, what can we say for "You're going down" (meaning: "You're going to LOSE!") niNa'vi?

Quote from: LAT Creative Director
"We would like a line that communicates 'you are going down' or 'you are going to lose'. This fits with the tone and spirit of our game. Please feel free to have fun with it.

"I can't wait to see what you come with. :) "

Quote from: Paul Frommer
Ideally the line should be something that fits in with Na'vi life and culture. The example I first thought of was, "Ikranìl yìyom ngeyä teylut" -- "An ikran is about to eat your teylu." But that's too derivative of the "eat your lunch" expression in English. The Community can come up with something much better.

Keep it short! And if there's a great concept but a vocabulary item or two is missing, not to worry--I'll fill in the blank.

The time frame is tight, since March 7 is fast approaching.

The reward is having your Na'vi published in the Los Angeles Times, even if it is an advertisement.

Fìtìkangkemìri, sìlpey oe, ayngaru prrte' livu!

Pawl

Submissions are complete. Please vote by 5:00 PM Sunday, 21 February (PST) over the weekend. The top items in terms of popularity will be submitted to Karyu Pawl for his final selection/decision. You may vote for 3 choices.
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