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Na'vi Language Tool (Audio,Images,Vocab)
« on: January 05, 2010, 09:33:32 pm »
Na'vi Language Tool

Over the long weekend I tossed together a small language learning application.

You can find it here: http://irongamer.net/navi/

I'm really new to the phonetics / linguistics area so I have not attempted to add
much audio. Here is where you can help, if you are interested.

I would love to have all the words spoken in Na'vi. The vocabulary section will have
audio clips. The quiz areas will play the audio clip when the word first loads and
there is also a play button that will display so you can listen to it again.

I'll add Na'vi audio words if you email them to: [email protected]
Please title audio emails as "Na'vi Audio" and write the word that you are speaking
in the email. Please send clear recordings.  ;)

If you don't have a program for recording and editing audio you can use Audacity.
Audacity is free and can be downloaded here: http://audacity.sourceforge.net/download/

The other area that needs more content is the image quiz area. This area matches
an image with a word. If you want to send a word with an image file I will add it to the
image quiz area. The image size needs to be 200x200. If you send larger I will try to crop
it. Please title image emails as "Na'vi Audio" and write the word for the image in the email: [email protected].

Drop in comments / suggestions / ideas in this thread.

I hope this tool helps the learning process.


« Last Edit: January 05, 2010, 11:35:11 pm by irongamer »

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Re: Irongamer -- Na'vi Language Tool
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2010, 09:38:13 pm »
This is awesome! Great tool, all it needs now is some spoken words.

Perhaps you can collaborate with him:

http://forum.learnnavi.org/index.php?topic=918.0
« Last Edit: January 05, 2010, 09:40:21 pm by Night Raider »
Is this right? I just write whatever in the signature box?

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Re: Na'vi Language Tool (Audio,Images,Vocab)
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2010, 12:22:14 am »
Another awesome tool. Pretty sure this is the "Awesome" part of the forum. Its like the think tank for ways to learn the language. +1 for helping to develop awesomeness. Though soon all of our awesomeness will be merged into one thread, since some of our ideas are starting to cross over into each other.

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Re: Na'vi Language Tool (Audio,Images,Vocab)
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2010, 12:33:49 am »
So far this is the only learning tool I use, it's very well done!
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Re: Na'vi Language Tool (Audio,Images,Vocab)
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2010, 12:59:38 am »
Thanks to Ftiafpi there is some audio in place.  ;D
I have also added a few more quiz images for the "Body, Mind" category.

When a word loads in either quiz area and there is an audio file for the word it will
automatically play. Also in the quiz area, an audio button will appear next to
words with audio.

Edit

Thanks for the heads up Night Raider.
« Last Edit: January 06, 2010, 01:16:50 am by irongamer »

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Re: Na'vi Language Tool (Audio,Images,Vocab)
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2010, 01:32:26 am »
Some critique on the audio samples..  I know this is a lot of work to get it all in there, but there's been enough misinformation going around about pronunciation, it's good to get learning resources having the sounds correct.

tseng(e): It is being pronounced "tsa'eng" - it's one syllable (Excluding the -e) and should be pronounced as such.
rutxe: The /r/ is being pronounced like the English /r/ not the Na'vi /r/, but that could just be because it's right as the clip starts.
pxay: It sounds like it's being said as pxey not pxay
olo'eyktan: I'm not hearing the glottal stop
Sngä'ikrr: The sound is for "krr", and it's got a little bit of an extra vowelish sound after the /rr/, sounds like krra
Irayo: Sounds more like ìrayo or erayo
Hapxì: Sounds like hapxe
Fkeu: Sounds like fìkeu

Edit: Reposted this in the other thread which I assume is the source of the sound samples
« Last Edit: January 06, 2010, 01:38:24 am by omängum fra'uti »
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Re: Na'vi Language Tool (Audio,Images,Vocab)
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2010, 01:33:55 am »
AWESOME!!!!

IRAYO TSMUKAN!

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Re: Na'vi Language Tool (Audio,Images,Vocab)
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2010, 04:33:21 am »
Well rather than just criticize, I figured I'd help and record samples of all the words which currently have pictures, as well as a couple bonus and even a phrase (Oel ngati kameie).  To the best of my knowledge these are all correct pronunciations, and I listened to them all to make sure they sounded like what I think the words should.

Edit: I also referenced the current best known syllable stresses for each word when I wasn't 100% confident I knew it, so that part should be correct as well.

Edit 2: Ok I had some good ears review and I did mess up a couple, mostly in the delivery more than the pronunciation, but one word had an incorrectly stressed syllable.  New version available for download.

Download location is now downloadable off-site.
« Last Edit: January 06, 2010, 08:02:53 pm by omängum fra'uti »
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Re: Na'vi Language Tool (Audio,Images,Vocab)
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2010, 05:27:12 am »
WoW!!!! Irayo Tsmukan!!!

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Re: Na'vi Language Tool (Audio,Images,Vocab)
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2010, 10:39:14 am »
Well rather than just criticize, I figured I'd help and record samples of all the words which currently have pictures, as well as a couple bonus and even a phrase (Oel ngati kameie).  To the best of my knowledge these are all correct pronunciations, and I listened to them all to make sure they sounded like what I think the words should.

Edit: I also referenced the current best known syllable stresses for each word when I wasn't 100% confident I knew it, so that part should be correct as well.

Woot, mind if I add these to my collection of words that I plan to post on the beginners forum, I figure if the two of us work on words then we'll get this done twice as fast (and twice as accurately).

Anyway, great tool, I will make frequent use of this.

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Re: Na'vi Language Tool (Audio,Images,Vocab)
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2010, 02:01:54 pm »
Hearing someone speak it correctly helps a ton, especially for someone like me who is generally bad at traditional language teaching techniques.  What I'm good at is listening to people and impersonating them.  Omängum, I think your recordings are excellent and would be thrilled if there was more for me to absorb.  :)

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Re: Na'vi Language Tool (Audio,Images,Vocab)
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2010, 02:38:26 pm »
Woot, mind if I add these to my collection of words that I plan to post on the beginners forum, I figure if the two of us work on words then we'll get this done twice as fast (and twice as accurately).

Anyway, great tool, I will make frequent use of this.
Sure, though I'm not speaking the English word before or after, just doing the Na'vi word.
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Re: Na'vi Language Tool (Audio,Images,Vocab)
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2010, 02:43:01 pm »
Amazing! Irayo ma tsmukan!

I think I might have noticed something:
Fra'u and Frapo have been switched around in phonetic spelling.
« Last Edit: January 06, 2010, 03:08:01 pm by Kip Pizayu »
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Re: Na'vi Language Tool (Audio,Images,Vocab)
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2010, 09:39:57 pm »
Language Tool Updates

Fra'u and Frapo have been switched around in phonetic spelling.

Nice catch. Fixed.

New Audio

Audio submitted by omängum fra'uti (Na'viSpokenWordsP1.zip) has been added. Thanks!



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Hearing someone speak it correctly helps a ton, especially for someone like me who is generally bad at traditional language teaching techniques.

Totally agree, hearing the spoken language is helping a lot.
« Last Edit: January 06, 2010, 09:43:23 pm by irongamer »

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Re: Na'vi Language Tool (Audio,Images,Vocab)
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2010, 04:14:57 am »
This is helping me a lot! Irayo!
Another potential error:
Shouldn't skxawng's phonetics be [sk'awng] not with the glottal stop as is in the program?

Btw - how do you do the [ng] symbol? Anyone know?

Edit: Also snga'ikrr (beginning, start time) has the wrong sound file.
« Last Edit: January 07, 2010, 04:19:33 am by Kip Pizayu »
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Re: Na'vi Language Tool (Audio,Images,Vocab)
« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2010, 05:20:21 am »
Irayo!!! That is so cool. I can definitely use that. Very awesome. :)

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Re: Na'vi Language Tool (Audio,Images,Vocab)
« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2010, 09:43:32 am »
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This is helping me a lot! Irayo!
Another potential error:
Shouldn't skxawng's phonetics be [sk'awng] not with the glottal stop as is in the program?

Btw - how do you do the [ng] symbol? Anyone know?

Edit: Also snga'ikrr (beginning, start time) has the wrong sound file.

I'll see about fixing those this evening.

I'm not sure how to get the "ŋ" character on a US keyboard. If you are using windows you can type "charmap" from run and copy it out of there. The code for it is 014B. Usually you can hold down the alt key and type in the sequence of numbers to get a character from the code listed. However, letters don't work, so that "B" at the end is a problem.

Other then using the character map on that character I'm not sure how to get it.


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Re: Na'vi Language Tool (Audio,Images,Vocab)
« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2010, 11:07:59 am »
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This is helping me a lot! Irayo!
Another potential error:
Shouldn't skxawng's phonetics be [sk'awng] not with the glottal stop as is in the program?

Btw - how do you do the [ng] symbol? Anyone know?

Edit: Also snga'ikrr (beginning, start time) has the wrong sound file.

I'll see about fixing those this evening.

I'm not sure how to get the "ŋ" character on a US keyboard. If you are using windows you can type "charmap" from run and copy it out of there. The code for it is 014B. Usually you can hold down the alt key and type in the sequence of numbers to get a character from the code listed. However, letters don't work, so that "B" at the end is a problem.

Other then using the character map on that character I'm not sure how to get it.



I guess it would be [ALT] + 0022 (works in notepad).

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Re: Na'vi Language Tool (Audio,Images,Vocab)
« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2010, 07:02:14 pm »
It would be great if it had the option to give you and English word and then you have to translate it to Na'vi.  You wouldn't need an audio file and those sort of reviews have always helped me.

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Re: Na'vi Language Tool (Audio,Images,Vocab)
« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2010, 07:30:13 pm »
I agree, I've done something like that with my flashcards..  The two I find best for learning is audio only then get the word, then english word and get the Na'vi.  (And both are in the flashcards I've been creating, but of course they have nothing like this for associative learning.)
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