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Na'vi Pocketmod guide
« on: January 04, 2010, 04:22:09 pm »
There's several full-page printables for learning, but how about a hip-pocket-friendly version? Borrowing the 8-page foldable design of a PocketMod, here's a printable PDF for easy portability with most of the grammar guides, some useful phrases, and one blank page for putting in whatever words from the lexicon you want easy access to.

Any feedback would be great! There's three versions of this guide (currently); the basic version is a black and white version for basic printing. The "_colored" has colored panels to correlate to the parts of speech (nouns, verbs, pronouns, etc.) used in the Learning Na'vi guide. The "_digital" version has the various panels in a long strip, designed for on-screen viewing rather than printing.

EDIT: Updated as of 9/13/2010.


Na'vi Pocket Reference Guide is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 3.0 United States License
« Last Edit: August 13, 2010, 12:06:27 pm by MidnightLightning »
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Re: Na'vi Pocketmod guide
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2010, 04:25:24 pm »
Awesome :D I'm sure one of our grammar people will be along to comb over it and offer advice. Great job though.

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Re: Na'vi Pocketmod guide
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2010, 05:32:52 pm »
This is awesome, I'll print it out now.

There is a link on the side for instructions, but here they are for anyone that prints it out (more complicated than just folding): http://www.pocketmod.com/howto/

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Re: Na'vi Pocketmod guide
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2010, 08:03:48 pm »
Some things I noticed:

Useful words/phrases:
You write Kaltxì as Kalt'ì.
Perhaps you should put the translations for Kaltxì (hello) and Kìyevame (see you soon) in there rather than just (common greeting/farewell)
I don't think ngari in "Rutxe ngari plltxe tsa’u nìmun" would need the topic marker would it?

Questions
Srak doesn't really need a question marker. Either that or they should all have question markers.

Pronounciation
Very nice, but perhaps you should bold the letters in the example words so people know which ones to use.

Nouns
There are more than just one spelling for the affixes, for example:
Accusative (object): -ti, -it and -t
Ergative (agent): -l and ìl
Topic: -ri and -ìri

I like the brief examples you give though, good idea.

Lenition
I'm definitely no expert on lenition so no comment.

Adpositions
Nice, very useful, perhaps a brief example since there's plenty of space for one.

Verbs
Again, very nice but perhaps another brief example for each one.

Overall, very useful, I look forward to future revisions and will refer to this often.

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Re: Na'vi Pocketmod guide
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2010, 10:09:52 am »
I had pulled "Kalt'i" from another website when I was googling around for "Na'vi phrases", and looks like the other source was misspelled. I put the topic marker on "ngari" because I imagine that in the flow of a conversation, if a new learner needed an experienced speaker to repeat themselves, like the topic of conversation was not just about speaking Na'vi, so a topic change is likely appropriate.

I've added in the alternate accusative, ergative, and topical markers; is there a guide somewhere that conclusively tells when is appropriate to use the alternates? (I presume there's only one right suffix for each noun, and it's not a "pick whichever you like" like choosing whether adpositions go before or after the noun.)

I took your suggestion and bolded the example pronunciation words' appropriate letters, and added in more samples where appropriate. The file in my first post is updated if you want to take another look.
« Last Edit: January 05, 2010, 10:14:41 am by MidnightLightning »
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Re: Na'vi Pocketmod guide
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2010, 10:27:54 am »
I also added a "colored" version that has colored pages that match the colors used in the Learn Na'Vi Pocket Guide for Nouns, Pronouns/Questions, Verbs, and Adpositions/Prepositions.
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Re: Na'vi Pocketmod guide
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2010, 10:30:16 am »
Awesome. Great work on this so far, once we get it finished and verified for accuracy i'll add it to the list of things we direct new people to. Something like this that's portable and on-hand would do well.

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Re: Na'vi Pocketmod guide
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2010, 11:06:57 am »
Great! One more quick edit; adding my own attribution and officially putting it under a Creative Commons license.
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Re: Na'vi Pocketmod guide
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2010, 11:09:05 am »
Awesome. Great work on this so far, once we get it finished and verified for accuracy i'll add it to the list of things we direct new people to. Something like this that's portable and on-hand would do well.

Ok, I'll let you add it to the useful links. :)
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Re: Na'vi Pocketmod guide
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2010, 11:26:51 am »
Great job! If you want to, I could translate it into German.

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Re: Na'vi Pocketmod guide
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2010, 11:48:39 am »
Great job! If you want to, I could translate it into German.

Sure, if you supply the text, I'd be glad to drop it into the design. There would likely need to be literal translations of the cover text, the sample English words for pronunciation would need equivalent German words that have the same phonics, and I'm guessing the English "latter/ladder" would need to be replaced with something appropriate. Does German have ejectives? Or would native German speakers still need description of what an ejective phonic is? And then all the translation examples would need the german equivalent.
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Re: Na'vi Pocketmod guide
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2010, 11:49:24 am »
Awesome. Great work on this so far, once we get it finished and verified for accuracy i'll add it to the list of things we direct new people to. Something like this that's portable and on-hand would do well.
Who's officially going to be the one verifying it for accuracy?
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Re: Na'vi Pocketmod guide
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2010, 12:11:45 pm »
Not sure on that yet (sorry, in twenty places at once) but i'll find out. Maybe I can convince Will to take a look.

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Re: Na'vi Pocketmod guide
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2010, 12:40:34 pm »
Great job! If you want to, I could translate it into German.

Sure, if you supply the text, I'd be glad to drop it into the design. There would likely need to be literal translations of the cover text, the sample English words for pronunciation would need equivalent German words that have the same phonics, and I'm guessing the English "latter/ladder" would need to be replaced with something appropriate. Does German have ejectives? Or would native German speakers still need description of what an ejective phonic is? And then all the translation examples would need the german equivalent.

I did a translation, but I'll go through it once again.. There are too many special linguistic terms in it (I don't think any German will know what those are :D).

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the sample English words for pronunciation would need equivalent German words that have the same phonics
And yes I searched the equivalents for the pronounciations (still one or two to find).

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and I'm guessing the English "latter/ladder" would need to be replaced with something appropriate.
The "latter/ladder" thing is a little bit tricky in German. I had to fall back on the Low German Language (there is one word that matches to that^^).

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Does German have ejectives? Or would native German speakers still need description of what an ejective phonic is?
No German has no ejectives, but I already got a description for the germans how to pronounce those. (The one Prof. Frommer explained in an interview (stop breathing and then articulate the p...))

I'll send it to you tomorrow.

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Re: Na'vi Pocketmod guide
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2010, 01:58:28 pm »
Very nice, I love it, this will be extremely useful.

A couple last minute suggestions:

  • In the sentence "Oe rayol hu nga: I will sing with you." isn't it preferred to do ngahu rather than hu nga? I believe either is correct but that's the way Frommer and others have done it.

Perhaps a few more good common words/phrases would be:

  • Ngaru lu fpom srak? (Are you well?)
  • Tsun oe ngahu pivängkxo a fi'u oeru prrte' lu. (It is a pleasure to be able to chat with you.)
  • Oel nagti kameie (I see you (meta-phyisically))

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Re: Na'vi Pocketmod guide
« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2010, 02:15:07 pm »
Oh, and perhaps we should have a version rotated for digital reading since this is such a concise guide it would be great to have on the computer as well.

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Re: Na'vi Pocketmod guide
« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2010, 02:29:21 pm »
In the sentence "Oe rayol hu nga: I will sing with you." isn't it preferred to do ngahu rather than hu nga? I believe either is correct but that's the way Frommer and others have done it.
I was under the impression that Adpositions can come before or as a suffix, and either are correct, so my two examples in that section show the two placement options (torukta'em shows the suffix, and ha nga shows the 'as word before' variety). If the actual "I will sing with you" phrase has a precedence set of having it the other way, I'll put in another example of the 'as a word before' placement of an adposition.
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Re: Na'vi Pocketmod guide
« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2010, 02:49:36 pm »
Oh, and perhaps we should have a version rotated for digital reading since this is such a concise guide it would be great to have on the computer as well.
I would love a fully digital version (flipped right-side up, of course) that I could check out on my iPhone, just as a pdf.  Love having so many options!

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Re: Na'vi Pocketmod guide
« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2010, 02:59:19 pm »
Oh, and to answer your question the best description of how to use the proper errgative affix is in taronyu's worksheet: http://zombat.roosteredge.com/navi/grammar/final/navi_grammar_1.4_erg.accu.pdf

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Re: Na'vi Pocketmod guide
« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2010, 03:05:48 pm »
Oh, and perhaps we should have a version rotated for digital reading since this is such a concise guide it would be great to have on the computer as well.
I would love a fully digital version (flipped right-side up, of course) that I could check out on my iPhone, just as a pdf.  Love having so many options!

All right, I added a "digital" version that's a horizontal scroll of the seven panels (and in a double-whammy update, I corrected my spelling of "Pronunciation" which no one caught).
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