Na'vi Pamrel - offer №4

[Hashe]

It seems to me that Tengwar looks as Greek alphabet more

[`Eylan Ayfalulukanä]

Txantsan! The concept of single symbols for 'function words' like futa, fwa, etc. is a very intriguing idea. Since these are essentially 'dummy words' and serve to connect clauses, this makes a whole lot of sense. I definitely need to study what you have done more closely.

And when you get down to the basis of things, I think there is a different writing system out there in each of the minds of everyone who speaks Na`vi.....

[Hashe]

Txantsan! The concept of single symbols for 'function words' like futa, fwa, etc. is a very intriguing idea. Since these are essentially 'dummy words' and serve to connect clauses, this makes a whole lot of sense.

I've thought about this, but it is close to Parrton system where one symbol is a word, but if i will have enough people who agree with "the word is symbol" i'll make needed.

And when you get down to the basis of things, I think there is a different writing system out there in each of the minds of everyone who speaks Na`vi.....

I wish to say "of peoples of different countries who speaks Na'vi", but we must have general system, that people wouldn't have difficulties.

[Sireayä mokri]

but if i will have enough people who agree with "the word is symbol" i'll make needed.

I think it will only make the system more complicated.

[Hashe]

Thats right, because each symbol it is what that we need to learn, i've tried to make simple system, but people will learn much more symbols, that will make system really hard.

[Hashe]

For the present moment i have done fonts for the alphabet. You can check it in Start -> All programs -> Accessories -> System Tools -> Characters map -> Choose "Na'vi"

['eylan na'viyä]

Could you please make a guide how to type? it's strange. sometimes i only get something when i use upper case sometimes only when i use lower case.
About writing in Na'vi there has been a lot of discussion and also results in the past. I think you might be interested in that.
look at the keyboard layouts:
http://forum.learnnavi.org/projects/navify-software/

[Hashe]

It is test version and only font, i was trying to make symbols, but something wrong, and i dont know where "private character editor" saves symbols. Thanx for the layouts, but fonts a respond for symbols. When i press lower case 'P', it shows me the Na'vi symbol 'p', when i press upper case 'P' it shows 'Px' etc. Most of all, i need to know where is the main file that contains all the symbols of the system (...windows/fonts).

[Hashe]

I have found a way to use symbols but it's not comfortable. Anyway i have attached 2 files, that you need to put in fonts directory, use any ftp client (total commander), because explorer won't allow to paste files. When the work is done, go to Start -> All programs -> Accessories -> System Tools -> Characters map -> All fonts (private characters).
Symbols work ONLY in Internet Explorer.

If you see black squares, go to windows -> system 32 -> and open eudcedit.exe, then you will see scribbles (symbols), close the window, open Character map.

As i understand it is the only way to write. If you want to create good keyboard layout, i have a tip: "creating of the system language for windows"

[`Eylan Ayfalulukanä]

Txantsan! The concept of single symbols for 'function words' like futa, fwa, etc. is a very intriguing idea. Since these are essentially 'dummy words' and serve to connect clauses, this makes a whole lot of sense.

I've thought about this, but it is close to Parrton system where one symbol is a word, but if i will have enough people who agree with "the word is symbol" i'll make needed.

I  think I was misunderstood here. There are perhaps half a dozen 'dummy' words that are commonly used either to connect clauses, or as placeholders for words presented earlier-- I thik pum is one of these. In a lot of ways, these words are like special letters. Only these words that might warrant symbols of their own. General word-symbols would be way too complicated.

And when you get down to the basis of things, I think there is a different writing system out there in each of the minds of everyone who speaks Na`vi.....

I wish to say "of peoples of different countries who speaks Na'vi", but we must have general system, that people wouldn't have difficulties.

Again I was misunderstood. What I was trying to say here is that every single person (us) has a different idea for a written character set for Na`vi. We have already seen a number of examples posted here, and every one of them has strengths and weaknesses. Another way of stating this is if you got together a room full of Na`vi speakers, and asked them to come up with a writing system, 1.) No two individual's ideas would be the same, and likely not even similar, and 2.) I doubt you could get a unanimous consensus on any one system (borrowing from all the ideas proposed), no matter how carefully it was crafted and tweaked.

['Oma Tirea]

Personally, I have to say that this is a good alphabet, in that there are no strange compoundings, and special attention is given to not only the verb infixes, but also the case markings, as well as clause/dummy words.  Brilliant idea

[Hashe]

I  think I was misunderstood here. There are perhaps half a dozen 'dummy' words that are commonly used either to connect clauses, or as placeholders for words presented earlier-- I thik pum is one of these. In a lot of ways, these words are like special letters. Only these words that might warrant symbols of their own. General word-symbols would be way too complicated.

Oh, alright then, i will think about it.

Again I was misunderstood. What I was trying to say here is that every single person (us) has a different idea for a written character set for Na`vi. We have already seen a number of examples posted here, and every one of them has strengths and weaknesses. Another way of stating this is if you got together a room full of Na`vi speakers, and asked them to come up with a writing system, 1.) No two individual's ideas would be the same, and likely not even similar, and 2.) I doubt you could get a unanimous consensus on any one system (borrowing from all the ideas proposed), no matter how carefully it was crafted and tweaked.

No, are not. I was just saying if speakers will use a system that they like, in audience will be some incomprehension, because, you know, one speaks, for example in Finish and another one speaks in Finish too, but the first use Chinese alphabet, another use Latin, you understand what will happen then, so idea of general system more needed, if everybody not agree with each system and will offer them to us, it will be chaos, mb we should use latin alphabet which we are using now.

[Hashe]

Update:
Keyboard layout is ready for use. (post №1)

['eylan na'viyä]

i tried to get it work but wasn't successful. I never use Internet explorer. I did not try very long. Probably i just did something wrong. But i just have seen a much better way to implement this font. this works in every application:
http://forum.learnnavi.org/projects/pamrelfya-aeoio/msg330949/#msg330949

[Hashe]

I made it as independent language, you can use it in system, be sure, later i will made fonts for application, i dont have much time to make everything at once.

[Hashe]

It is forum font. Use as "Eoio" - [font=Pamrel Text [/font] while i'm making characters, for full using in system as language.
Upper case T, P, K are Tx, Px, Kx. J-ì, Q-ä.

[Sireayä mokri]

It doesn't work for me. Are you sure that the tag is correct?

[Hashe]

Oh sry, forgot to reattach file

I have attached new one. test it

[Sireayä mokri]

Tantsan

[Kemaweyan]

Oe tsun tsive'a

It works!