Pamrelfya a'Eoio

[Prrton]

Today I find that all texts normal in Firefox,

Yeah, because I asked Tsm. Markì to add text-rendering: optimizeLegibility in the [font] tag Now it works just fine in FireFox and Chrome Ulte fì'uri oe seiyi poru irayo nìtxan!

Pxiswaw am oel rolun nìsyay futa set kop tsun Mäkä Safaril nìyawr fra'uti wivìntxu ! (Srerew Prrton nìprrte'.) Fì'u lu lesar nìwotx ! Skxakep oeyk a set tsolun sivar latsu mipa fìkotx le'EytsTieMeL. Mengaru seiyi irayo nìtxan, ma mesmukan alu Kemaweyan sì Markì ! *

[Prrton]

Srane. Sar oel Upuntu Lìnaksì tafral nìteng ke zene oe txopu sivi aykuturi eltuä lefngap. Kop sar oel Wintosì ulte tsun tslivam lunil a fko txopu sivi faylìri a .zip*

Pelun nga fìtxan hawngkrr vay set ke herahaw?,,,*

[Prrton]

New oe ivomum futa luke fwa frapor leyken sìngäzìkit tsun oe sivar a pesawlhì' lu hì'i frato? Rutxe piveng.*

14 pt.		Ngeyä elturi lefngap pesawlhì' lu hì'i nìhawng? Pum oeyä tsun tsive'a nìlaw hufwa slu pxihì' nìtxan ulte new oe tskxekeng sivi tsara fmi tslivam fa nari nìtengfya tsun oe niviä pamrelfyati leRoman. Ngari tut?
13 pt.		Ngeyä elturi lefngap pesawlhì' lu hì'i nìhawng? Pum oeyä tsun tsive'a nìlaw hufwa slu pxihì' nìtxan ulte new oe tskxekeng sivi tsara fmi tslivam fa nari nìtengfya tsun oe niviä pamrelfyati leRoman. Ngari tut?
12 pt.		Ngeyä elturi lefngap pesawlhì' lu hì'i nìhawng? Pum oeyä tsun tsive'a nìlaw hufwa slu pxihì' nìtxan ulte new oe tskxekeng sivi tsara fmi tslivam fa nari nìtengfya tsun oe niviä pamrelfyati leRoman. Ngari tut?
11 pt.		Ngeyä elturi lefngap pesawlhì' lu hì'i nìhawng? Pum oeyä tsun tsive'a nìlaw hufwa slu pxihì' nìtxan ulte new oe tskxekeng sivi tsara fmi tslivam fa nari nìtengfya tsun oe niviä pamrelfyati leRoman. Ngari tut?
10 pt.		Ngeyä elturi lefngap pesawlhì' lu hì'i nìhawng? Pum oeyä tsun tsive'a nìlaw hufwa slu pxihì' nìtxan ulte new oe tskxekeng sivi tsara fmi tslivam fa nari nìtengfya tsun oe niviä pamrelfyati leRoman. At this size I think it can coexist quite nicely with English or other Human Languages. Fì'u lu letrrtrra renu tìsusarä 'Ìnglìsä. Fì'uteri a fpìlfya ngeyä slu fyape?

Spoiler: Tìlam a fa oeyä eltu lefngap alu Mäk (nìpxi tìlam Safariyä)

[Plumps]

Oh, what have you planned?

Maybe it's me (not used to the look of the script yet) or my computer but I think the 13 pt. makes for a very good and comfortable read...

[Ikran Ahiyìk]

I like 14 or 18

I basically agree. We can always use the "1 pt. space" workaround for the scenarios that diphthongs and vowels collide and remain distinctly in tact. This scenario seems less common than when the semi-vowel components rearrange their alliances. The extra 1 pt. space does not interfere with reading text set in Eoio but rendered by default in Roman because the Eoio font is not available on the display system. It would be BETTER to have an official way for the font to deal directly with this scenario, bu it's not a strict requirement compared to other issues.

It will be complicated, it needs a lot of rules...

I even don't figure the 1pt space if I hadn't quote the post.

Yes. The only difference between the Na'vi number glyph:

   °7

and the compound glyph for 'Eywa' is that 'Eywa' is composed of only sound elements and is always only read 'Ey.wa', while all of the number glyphs have more than one pronunciation and those are context sensitive depending on how they are interacting in the numerical hierarchy with other numbers.

It can be read as ki.nä, ki, or hin depending on how it's used.

   palulukan a°7

   palulukan a°787

Spoiler: For folks who don't have the Eoio font installed.

Just one thing:

Don't take 8 for vol...
if others see something "a`7v7" they may guess it is a number and find it is kivohin,
but if it's "a`787"......

[Kemaweyan]

New oe ivomum futa luke fwa frapor leyken sìngäzìkit tsun oe sivar a pesawlhì' lu hì'i frato? Rutxe piveng.*

14 pt.		Ngeyä elturi lefngap pesawlhì' lu hì'i nìhawng? Pum oeyä tsun tsive'a nìlaw hufwa slu pxihì' nìtxan ulte new oe tskxekeng sivi tsara fmi tslivam fa nari nìtengfya tsun oe niviä pamrelfyati leRoman. Ngari tut?
13 pt.		Ngeyä elturi lefngap pesawlhì' lu hì'i nìhawng? Pum oeyä tsun tsive'a nìlaw hufwa slu pxihì' nìtxan ulte new oe tskxekeng sivi tsara fmi tslivam fa nari nìtengfya tsun oe niviä pamrelfyati leRoman. Ngari tut?
12 pt.		Ngeyä elturi lefngap pesawlhì' lu hì'i nìhawng? Pum oeyä tsun tsive'a nìlaw hufwa slu pxihì' nìtxan ulte new oe tskxekeng sivi tsara fmi tslivam fa nari nìtengfya tsun oe niviä pamrelfyati leRoman. Ngari tut?
11 pt.		Ngeyä elturi lefngap pesawlhì' lu hì'i nìhawng? Pum oeyä tsun tsive'a nìlaw hufwa slu pxihì' nìtxan ulte new oe tskxekeng sivi tsara fmi tslivam fa nari nìtengfya tsun oe niviä pamrelfyati leRoman. Ngari tut?
10 pt.		Ngeyä elturi lefngap pesawlhì' lu hì'i nìhawng? Pum oeyä tsun tsive'a nìlaw hufwa slu pxihì' nìtxan ulte new oe tskxekeng sivi tsara fmi tslivam fa nari nìtengfya tsun oe niviä pamrelfyati leRoman. At this size I think it can coexist quite nicely with English or other Human Languages. Fì'u lu letrrtrra renu tìsusarä 'Ìnglìsä. Fì'uteri a fpìlfya ngeyä slu fyape?

Spoiler: Tìlam a fa oeyä eltu lefngap alu Mäk (nìpxi tìlam Safariyä)

Nìngay oe tsun tslivam keng 10pt Ke lu tsaw ngäzìk kaw'it oeri...

[Ikran Ahiyìk]

Slä faylì'u ahì'i ke lor oer

Lor nì'ul livu txo sa'u slu tsawl nì'ul.

[Kemaweyan]

srane, oe mllte ngahu nìwotx. oer lam lor frato 18pt fu apxa nì'ul

[Ikran Ahiyìk]

Mllte nìteng. 18pt lor frato lu.
Sa'u law lu ulte furia pamrel si lì'ut ahì'i tstalfa ngäzìk lu awngar fu Na'vir, kefyak.

New oe ivomum futa luke fwa frapor leyken sìngäzìkit tsun oe sivar a pesawlhì' lu hì'i frato? Rutxe piveng.*

Irayo seiyi oe Markìr sì Kemaweyanur. Set tsawlhì'ìri aylì'uä kea tìngäzìk ke lu oer.



Oe hìyahaw, kìyevame frapoya....

[Prrton]

Oh, what have you planned?

Maybe it's me (not used to the look of the script yet) or my computer but I think the 13 pt. makes for a very good and comfortable read...

Irayo, ma Plumps!

I'm afraid that there isn't anything concrete planned. This question was really about just how to size things that I write here using Eoio. I think that the Mac OS does a particularly good job of rendering fonts beautifully onscreen and I rarely even look at information in a Windows-based browser, so I was afraid that if I started sizing things at 12 pt. without asking, that it might be very difficult for some others to read.

The overall feedback seems to be that "bigger is better" so I'll probably stick with something between 14 and 16pt for most things that I post. 18pt just seems HUGE to me personally.

All that said, someone asked me yesterday via a PM if there were any materials created to TEACH Eoio to novices yet. I realized that there are not. So once Tsm. Kemaweyan considers the font DONE, then I might create a PDF that people could download to print at high resolution. I might have to think about size parity between the Roman alphabet and Eoio again at that time.

Such a guide should also probably include some indication about how to write the letters and compounds (block style) by hand too, huh?

Details. Tìno !


PS: Who else noticed the ambiguity in that last word in Na'vi? Did I mean "One must be thorough regarding these things?" or "Something (else) to keep me busy?" I didn't realize the ambiguity myself until after I'd typed it. Actually there is an "indefinite -o" marker designed for Eoio that would remove the ambiguity if it can be implemented, but this is one of the things that it would be very hard to type without making the underlying (Roman) Na'vi look really funky. We may have to be willing to live with a certain level of "I'm not sure", huh?

   

[Kemaweyan]

New version 1.010 now is available. Changes:

• Added glyph and substitution for "fya". It works always without any conditions
• Added glyphs and substitutions for some words (ke, lu, ma, si, livu, sivi). It works only if that is a single word

Example:

Lu oer tìkin a wìntxu ayngar nìwotx, ma oeyä eylan, fìpamrelfyat amip. Sìlpey oe tsnì tsaw livu sìltsan nìwotx ulte tsivun tìkangkem sivi fratsenge. Pamrel si ko!

[Tirea Aean]

New version 1.010 now is available. Changes:

• Added glyph and substitution for "fya". It works always without any conditions
• Added glyphs and substitutions for some words (ke, lu, ma, si, livu, sivi). It works only if that is a single word

Example:

Lu oer tìkin a wìntxu ayngar nìwotx, ma oeyä eylan, fìpamrelfyat amip. Sìlpey oe tsnì tsaw livu sìltsan nìwotx ulte tsivun tìkangkem sivi fratsenge. Pamrel si ko!

sunu oer fì'u nìngay.

fya ke lu si livu sivi

[Kemaweyan]

Kxawm tswola' oe furia pamrel sivi san a sìk Kop tsari tsakem soli oe.

[Tirea Aean]

Kxawm tswola' oe furia pamrel sivi san a sìk Kop tsari tsakem soli oe.

tsole'a oel tsat

[Kemaweyan]

Srane, solar oel tsat mì sìkenong a ngolop oel fte wivìngtxu sat nìwotx mì upxare a'awve fìtxeleri

[Prrton]

Ma Kemaweyan,

Nìlaw lu nga set tsulfätu ayfontä !

Tsun tsive'a futa ayrel ayawnìm lam fìfya nìyeyftue a fì'uri eltur tìtxen si ulte teya si oer nìlkeftang.

Nìmun ngaru seiyi irayo nìtxan !

Spoiler

Kemaweyan,

You're clearly a font master now!

It's very interesting and ceaselessly satisfying to me to be able to see the compounds appearing automatically.

Thank you so much again!

['Oma Tirea]

TSe, ma Prrton, if you really want to take this to the extreme, once a complete version of the font is out, you can see that it gets automatically used in the Na'vi nì'aw forums.  To users who haven't installed the font (myself included), it will most likely appear as regular, latin alphabet Na'vi

[Prrton]

TSe, ma Prrton, if you really want to take this to the extreme, once a complete version of the font is out, you can see that it gets automatically used in the Na'vi nì'aw forums.  To users who haven't installed the font (myself included), it will most likely appear as regular, latin alphabet Na'vi

Ma 'Oma Tirea,

It will likely be *possible* to embed the font directly into the viewing experience, even if people don't have it installed on their computers, but I feel pretty strongly that this should all be VOLUNTARY. It is very very clever how Tsm. Kemaweyan has been able to figure out how to make exactly what you describe possible. The only outstanding issue is that of size. Most folks who are using Eoio today seem to want to view it at sizes over 16pt. That's a bit large for everyday viewing of things written in the Roman alphabet.

[Ikran Ahiyìk]

Wow, very nice!

It is very amazing to see the words change in notepad...

Irayo nìtxan ma Kemaweyan!

Oh, what have you planned?

Maybe it's me (not used to the look of the script yet) or my computer but I think the 13 pt. makes for a very good and comfortable read...

Irayo, ma Plumps!

I'm afraid that there isn't anything concrete planned. This question was really about just how to size things that I write here using Eoio. I think that the Mac OS does a particularly good job of rendering fonts beautifully onscreen and I rarely even look at information in a Windows-based browser, so I was afraid that if I started sizing things at 12 pt. without asking, that it might be very difficult for some others to read.

The overall feedback seems to be that "bigger is better" so I'll probably stick with something between 14 and 16pt for most things that I post. 18pt just seems HUGE to me personally.

All that said, someone asked me yesterday via a PM if there were any materials created to TEACH Eoio to novices yet. I realized that there are not. So once Tsm. Kemaweyan considers the font DONE, then I might create a PDF that people could download to print at high resolution. I might have to think about size parity between the Roman alphabet and Eoio again at that time.

Such a guide should also probably include some indication about how to write the letters and compounds (block style) by hand too, huh?

Details. Tìno !


PS: Who else noticed the ambiguity in that last word in Na'vi? Did I mean "One must be thorough regarding these things?" or "Something (else) to keep me busy?" I didn't realize the ambiguity myself until after I'd typed it. Actually there is an "indefinite -o" marker designed for Eoio that would remove the ambiguity if it can be implemented, but this is one of the things that it would be very hard to type without making the underlying (Roman) Na'vi look really funky. We may have to be willing to live with a certain level of "I'm not sure", huh?

   

14 or 16 is also fine... but <14 is a bit small

The glyphs are much more complicated than Latin, they cannot be too small.
One more, that is the lines of present font are not simple lines in thickness only 1 pixel, they cannot be the same size.

18 is not huge to me, I thought it's the best...
but it's free for everyone to choose the size. 14-18 would be the normal range.



We can take both "-o" and "o" to the same glyph,
type "fya'o-o" and "tuteo" so that all with or without the font would understand it.



Waiting for a guide of writing rules also, so that we can know it more and see what is correct

[Tirea Aean]

so what's the verdict on Eoio numbers? I vote that 8 and 9 dont have eoio converting contextual replacements. just have people know that these: °1 °2 °3 °4 °5 °6 °7 °10..... eoio numbers are OCTAL and these: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10....... are DECIMAL. aside from that:

how do we write numbers bigger than vol? apparently there are two ways to write vol...°8 or °10. but how do we write volaw, mevopey, or such correctly?

°1 °2 °3 °4 °5 °6 °7 °10 °11 °12 °13 °14 °15 °16 °17 °20 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16

Edit...these didnt even show up correctly. they DO however, work in notepad. Notepad is AMAZING. it must be the single best windows application for using the font in. it obeys all contextual substitution rules all the time.