Short history of the community's knowledge of Na'vi?

Started by Muzer, August 04, 2010, 08:52:07 PM

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Muzer

For any relative newcomers to Na'vi (people like me who have only been learning for a few months) who are interested in exactly how the language developed and when from our perspective (as opposed to Frommer's), is anyone willing to write a short history on this? I'm interested in where the long-obsolete spellings came in (neu, etc.) and when they were replaced, who proposed using accents for stress and when that was deprecated, and exactly how we learnt about each of the major grammar structures. Is anyone willing and has enough free time to write this for people who, like me, want to know a bit of background on how it all came together?
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Tirea Aean

Quote from: Muzer on August 04, 2010, 08:52:07 PM
For any relative newcomers to Na'vi (people like me who have only been learning for a few months) who are interested in exactly how the language developed and when from our perspective (as opposed to Frommer's), is anyone willing to write a short history on this? I'm interested in where the long-obsolete spellings came in (neu, etc.) and when they were replaced, who proposed using accents for stress and when that was deprecated, and exactly how we learnt about each of the major grammar structures. Is anyone willing and has enough free time to write this for people who, like me, want to know a bit of background on how it all came together?

alot of dates which we know certain things can be seen here: http://wiki.learnnavi.org/index.php/Canon#Private_Correspondence_With_Paul_Frommer

the wiki.learnnavi.org canon....I believe it NEEDS to be recognized more and word of it needs to be spread. as for the history of the  language, I dont know the specific details, but I do know of the things you mention.

the oldest documentation of Na'vi I can think of is: http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=1977

i know that eu-->ew happened, but not when...
I know that accented vowels happened and seemingly went away, but not when and by whom.
I wish I knew...

I believe a few of us out there (i know a guy) have the ORIGINAL Taronyu dictionary pdf, and the first Na'vi pocket guide (thing that Nutshell replaced)

these old documents, basically obsolete now, can be probably found by asking around...I love hearing of our history...but only members as far back as Seze and Payoang and such can tell you the real history (at least of the community, not necessarily the language.) maybe Omängum Fra'uti might know some stuff about Na'vi's history?

P.A.'li makto

Absolutely great idea!
I would be interested in where the ideas of changing certain items in the dictionary come from, especially since it gives us a huge amount of work to do when translating them into our own version... (Srane, I'm asking you, ma Taronyu:)) (Anyway, we love doing it, I'm just curious!)

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Tuiq

Because I digitalized Taronyu's dictionary, I've still got version 4.020 (January 4th; 13 pages). SQL dumps from the database (which *could* be used to reconstruct the dictionary at that given time) are available around February 14th and 20th and June 1st. I'm attaching 4.020.
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Tirea Aean

Quote from: Tuiq on August 05, 2010, 11:28:58 AM
Because I digitalized Taronyu's dictionary, I've still got version 4.020 (January 4th; 13 pages). SQL dumps from the database (which *could* be used to reconstruct the dictionary at that given time) are available around February 14th and 20th and June 1st. I'm attaching 4.020.

Aw nice, Tuiq

Muzer

Quote from: Tuiq on August 05, 2010, 11:28:58 AM
Because I digitalized Taronyu's dictionary, I've still got version 4.020 (January 4th; 13 pages). SQL dumps from the database (which *could* be used to reconstruct the dictionary at that given time) are available around February 14th and 20th and June 1st. I'm attaching 4.020.

Wow - thank you very much indeed, I'll take a look!
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wm.annis

The large grammar I've written (to be released, I hope, this week) has an introduction with a very brief overview of this history.  I don't go into specific examples much, except for the genitive in vs. -yä which is mostly an example of errors made before we had enough data.

How much detail were you wanting?  Some sort of digested overview of this might be useful in the future.