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Here is where our little team will talk about our newest project...
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Eana Ketuwong

Here is Alyara Arati's idea for our story:
Dr. Augustine when humans are first there, before she gets her Avatar. (So, the general plot-line I had set up is tweaked with the character being Grace.)
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Alyara Arati

Quote from: Ean Kewong on April 24, 2011, 07:45:01 PM
Here is Alyara Arati's idea for our story:
Dr. Augustine when humans are first there, before she gets her Avatar. (So, the general plot-line I had set up is tweaked with the character being Grace.)

Grace was primarily a botanist, so she wouldn't logically be put in charge of relations with the Na'vi at first unless they chose her.  Maybe because she showed a greater respect for the forest than others with her?  Taking samples of plants doesn't seem as harmful as collecting animal specimens, for example.  Or there might have been a sign of some sort from Eywa regarding Grace as well.  However, I can see the RDA fully exploiting her friendliness with the Na'vi once that was shown to be the case.
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Eana Ketuwong

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Quote from: Alyara Arati on April 26, 2011, 10:16:18 PM
Quote from: Ean Kewong on April 24, 2011, 07:45:01 PM
Here is Alyara Arati's idea for our story:
Dr. Augustine when humans are first there, before she gets her Avatar. (So, the general plot-line I had set up is tweaked with the character being Grace.)

Grace was primarily a botanist, so she wouldn't logically be put in charge of relations with the Na'vi at first unless they chose her.  
Right, which is exactly why I said that we can tweak the plot line. I mean, this whole idea is perfect for what we've got going on! We'll still have to figure out why she was able to contact the Na'vi, why she even chose to contact them, since she was into botany. I'm starting to think that she gradually got accepted by the Na'vi while still as a human.  Good post.
EDIT: I SHOULD say what suddenly sparked her interest in learning about Na'vi, (Who wouldn't want to know...they're an alien species we've never encountered!) and why she switched her focuses from flora to fauna. Now, not saying she doesn't still interact with the plant life, but I'm starting to get the feeling that she went both ways, getting into the fauna and indigenous (Spelling?)
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Human No More

I like the idea. I'm not much of a writer unfortunately, but I can still help where I said I could (knowledge of Pandora and biology). Sorry for being off the last couple of days, things AFK have been bad.
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Eana Ketuwong

Quote from: Human No More on April 29, 2011, 01:34:34 PM
Sorry for being off the last couple of days, things AFK have been bad.
Don't worry about not being here; and as long as you still participate every now and then, we now that you're still on board! :)
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Alyara Arati

Quote from: Ean Kewong on April 27, 2011, 07:29:39 PM
We'll still have to figure out why she was able to contact the Na'vi, why she even chose to contact them, since she was into botany. I'm starting to think that she gradually got accepted by the Na'vi while still as a human.  Good post.
Maybe she didn't consciously choose to contact them, but rather more blundered into them a little like Jake.  If she was hurt and alone and human, she wouldn't seem like much of a threat and the Na'vi might care for her overnight.  Then, I think, they might be curious about how she fared after that and what she did as a botanist and why; in other words the Na'vi might start with Grace as a focus of interest by accident, but then come to accept and approve of her intentionally over time.
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Eana Ketuwong

Quote from: Alyara Arati on April 29, 2011, 07:17:50 PM
Quote from: Ean Kewong on April 27, 2011, 07:29:39 PM
We'll still have to figure out why she was able to contact the Na'vi, why she even chose to contact them, since she was into botany. I'm starting to think that she gradually got accepted by the Na'vi while still as a human.  Good post.
Maybe she didn't consciously choose to contact them, but rather more blundered into them a little like Jake.  If she was hurt and alone and human, she wouldn't seem like much of a threat and the Na'vi might care for her overnight.  Then, I think, they might be curious about how she fared after that and what she did as a botanist and why; in other words the Na'vi might start with Grace as a focus of interest by accident, but then come to accept and approve of her intentionally over time.
Yes, I like this. It is true that the Na'vi would probably accept her, if it's towards the beginning, when the humans haven't been destroyed so much of Pandora, and the Na'vi are ready to welcome the new scientist...
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Tsteu nantang

Ok, good so far, but I remember from your original Idea, that their was going to be something about capturing a Na'vi for expirements. Are we still going with that? And if so, shouldn't we have the relationship between Grace and the Na'vi become heavily strained? Or should we still take a few steps in between the relationship building and the big capture sequence?

In other words where should we go from here? Because the meetup and relationship build is very good at this point.
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Alyara Arati

Okay, um, Grace has an adversarial relationship with her boss (not new for Grace) because he wants to trap and dissect the local fauna for more extensive study, and she's opposed to that.  His real agenda extends to the capture and vivisection of several Na'vi (various sexes and ages), but he waits to implement that plan until Grace has gone into the mountains to study the plants there.

Grace gets back in time to free the prisoners, although sadly not before some fairly invasive experiments have been done on them.  They will all heal however, and Grace is able to dipolmatically avert the justifiable intent of the Na'vi to wipe out every last one of the Sky People.  Her boss may get "accidentally" stuck with a bit of neurotoxin during the escape, though.

This doesn't go unappreciated by the RDA who offer her the head position in Na'vi relations.  And since they have all that alien DNA now anyway which might as well be put to good use, she's also given the opportunity to be the first human volunteer tester of a new program they're developing called AVATAR.  Any thoughts?
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Eana Ketuwong

Hrh, "accidents" happen. I like the idea...I don't think I would change anything, but if anybody has some suggestions, speak up.
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Tsteu nantang

I like it but could you expans on how Grace diffuses the situation after escapeing, because I think the Na'vi would be too pissed to just take some tawtutes words at face value, considering their english would probably be bad at this point anyway.

Finally why would the RDA promote her? She just let test subjects escape and killed her boss.
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Alyara Arati

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Quote from: Tsteu nantang on April 30, 2011, 09:45:53 AM
I like it but could you expans on how Grace diffuses the situation after escapeing, because I think the Na'vi would be too pissed to just take some tawtutes words at face value, considering their english would probably be bad at this point anyway.

Finally why would the RDA promote her? She just let test subjects escape and killed her boss.


I'm working on that.  All of the above was just brainstorming anyway... (although I don't know that killing your boss would be a problem for the RDA so long as what happens on Pandora stays on Pandora)

* Alyara Arati is still thinking...
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Alyara Arati

Okay, Grace can't manage to free the captive Na'vi without help from her other scientist friends, many of whom had been sent into the field to get them out of the compound during these invasive tests.  Their help in the escape prooves that not all Sky People are evil.  And the testimony of the victimized Na'vi people would carry considerable weight.  I'm going to theorize that they want the Na'vi to stay better, morally, than Grace's boss, and not stoop to retaliatory genocide.  Also the RDA representative before Selfridge is canny enough to punish anyone complicit in experimenting on the Na'vi, thus showing the Na'vi that humans have justice, too.

Grace begs the Na'vi not to judge her entire race on the behavior of one individual, and with the only partial communication possible at that point, the Na'vi conclude that Grace's boss was crazy.  That is something that they can understand.  Plus in their eyes, anyone who could commit such acts would have to be crazy.  The RDA guy swears that the humans will remain within certain boundaries and cause as little harm to the environment as possible.  And (s)he appeals to the Na'vi to allow them to stay where they have landed because they have no means to immediately return home.  Grace is suspicious of these promises, but she wants peace for the sakes of both the humans and the Na'vi.

But the main reason that the Na'vi take the sawtute at their words is simply that, at that time, they had no concept of lying.  They decide, as Eytukan did with Jake, that these newcomers warrant further study before any final or irreversable steps are taken regarding them.  All of the negotiations are translated through Grace, which is why she suddenly becomes vital to the success of the RDA investment venture into Pandora.  Her boss is dead anyway, so why not promote her and exploit her connection with the Na'vi?  I'm postulating that there is as yet little military presence attached to the mission, and certainly Quaritch is not among them.
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Tsteu nantang

I have no complaints with that explanation, that you for the clarification, it seems to make complete sense.
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Eana Ketuwong

Ok, well I'm voting this up. I'll start a poll (If I can edit this...) and you guys can vote. Hopefully other members of the team will check this out.
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Human No More

I'm not sure about the 'no concept of lying' part...
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Eana Ketuwong

Quote from: Human No More on May 11, 2011, 05:29:47 AM
I'm not sure about the 'no concept of lying' part...
I think I understand but if you want, elaborate further?
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Alyara Arati

Quote from: Human No More on May 11, 2011, 05:29:47 AM
I'm not sure about the 'no concept of lying' part...
First encounter with humans, no word for "lie"... I guess I kind of assumed that they couldn't concieve of it at that point.
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Human No More

No word for something (which was only in the early script anyway) does not imply no concept of something. Humans could have easily not have a specific word if they just referred to not telling the truth, or being dishonest/misleading or whatever.
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