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Alphabet
« on: December 22, 2009, 04:29:51 pm »
Phonetics and Phonology

Na’vi has 20 consonants, 7 vowels, 4 diphthongs, and 2 syllabic “pseudovowels,” rr and ll.

 ( ) tìFtang, A, AW, AY, Ä, E, EW, EY, Fä, Hä, I, Ì,

KeK, KxeKx, LeL, ’Ll, MeM, NeN, NgeNg, O, PeP, PxePx,

ReR, ’Rr, Sä, TeT, TxeTx, Tsä, U, Vä, Wä, Yä, Zä


Na’vi      IPA       Literal      Approximate English Example
ʔ“uh-oh”
aaaah“father”
äæahh“cat”, “pack”
awawaou“noun”
ayajeye“eye”, “fly”
tst͡stSS“cats”
eɛeh“then”
ewɛwEh-w“Beowulf”
eyɛjaey“hey”
ffff“fool”
ngŋnng“sing”, ”lungs”
hhhh“ham”
iiee“machine”, “prestige”
ìɪiih“thin”, “bit”
kkk’“skill”, ”escape”
llll“left”, “bell”
lllll“table”
mmmm“man”, “ham”
nnnn“no”, “tin”
oooh“mow”, ”old”
ppp’“spin”, ”happy”
rɾrrdMore info
rrtrtrtrStrongly trilled “r”
ssss“see”, “city”
ttt’“still”, ”plastic”
uuoou“dude”
vvvv“voice”, “have”
www’“we”
txMore info
kxMore info
pxMore info
yjy’“yes”
zzzz“zoo”



« Last Edit: July 25, 2015, 08:42:37 pm by Tìtstewan »


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Re: Alphabet
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2009, 05:11:59 pm »
For strict IPA ay should be [aj] and ey [ɛj].

Also, the voiceless stops are unaspirated, which means that "skill" is a better English match than "kill," since English tends to aspirate initial voiceless stops.
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Re: Alphabet
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2009, 05:13:40 pm »
noted, Irayo!


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Re: Alphabet
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2009, 05:20:43 pm »
Maybe change your Idiot column header to Skxawng, otherwise looking good...
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Re: Alphabet
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2009, 05:23:17 pm »
This is an awesome start.  ;D  For ng, do you mean glottal stop like Frommer described, or is heavy rear of throat something else here? :)  Irayo!

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Re: Alphabet
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2009, 05:27:46 pm »
Maybe change your Idiot column header to Skxawng, otherwise looking good...

Was thinking of doing that :P

Figured though that not all beginners would know that what they heard in the movie is written that way

This is an awesome start.  ;D  For ng, do you mean glottal stop like Frommer described, or is heavy rear of throat something else here? :)  Irayo!

Probably what Frommer said, considereing its his invention :P

And thanks!  It looks kind of crappy though, I really need to learn to do frames or whatever


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Re: Alphabet
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2009, 05:32:27 pm »
Well, once we get the wiki up and running we could always link words to their definitions on the wiki.  It would be an easy way to interconnect to the wiki.


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Re: Alphabet
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2009, 05:34:00 pm »
Well, once we get the wiki up and running we could always link words to their definitions on the wiki.  It would be an easy way to interconnect to the wiki.

I was also just going to copy-paste the raw text where all the stuff would be in pretty columns into a word document, then take a screenshot and upload an image.


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Re: Alphabet
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2009, 05:34:42 pm »

Probably what Frommer said, considereing its his invention :P

And thanks!  It looks kind of crappy though, I really need to learn to do frames or whatever

I just wanted to make sure that this was the same mechanic like he described for the X and not a different throat thing.

The BB codes here have table goodies for you to play with, but I'm certainly not brave enough to attempt it yet. ;)

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Re: Alphabet
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2009, 05:41:45 pm »
r   -   -   [ r ]   -   rr   -   -   "run", "Very"

Both of those examples are the approximant [ɹ], not the flap [ɾ].  It's hard to give English examples because we don't have /ɾ/ as a distinct phoneme in most dialects, but perhaps the "tt" in better, which is [ˈbɛɾɚ] in general American.
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Re: Alphabet
« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2009, 05:42:59 pm »
The BB codes here have table goodies for you to play with, but I'm certainly not brave enough to attempt it yet. ;)
as far as tables go, the SMF help site says the tables work exactly the same as html counterparts, so theoretically I could make the tables in like Dreamweaver, and just import the HTML and it'll work.

Until then there's this:


r   -   -   [ r ]   -   rr   -   -   "run", "Very"

Both of those examples are the approximant /ɹ/, not the flap /ɾ/.  It's hard to give English examples because we don't have /ɾ/ as a distinct phoneme in most dialects, but perhaps the "tt" in better, which is /ˈbɛɾɚ/ in general American.

Ooh good fix, Irayo!


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Re: Alphabet
« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2009, 05:45:19 pm »
Wow...that looks perfect, except I have to agree that the [r] is actually a alveolar flap [ɾ] like the tt in butter as well!
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Re: Alphabet
« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2009, 05:46:47 pm »
fixed, and irayo!


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Re: Alphabet
« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2009, 05:47:54 pm »
Also, be careful with the IPA for the ejectives, as [!] is actually a click sound.  use the apostrophe instead, such as tx = [t']
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Re: Alphabet
« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2009, 05:48:33 pm »
the r flap always reminds me of the English d sound, don't know if that would be better for the Idiots version or not...


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Re: Alphabet
« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2009, 05:59:58 pm »
the r flap always reminds me of the English d sound, don't know if that would be better for the Idiots version or not...

I might just put a ??

also brand new graphic woot woot all pretty


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Re: Alphabet
« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2009, 06:04:50 pm »
Haha, I suppose a d would be best for ayskxawng, but it might be best to really emphasize the flap so that we dont have a bunch of mispronouncing Na'Vi speakers running about!
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Re: Alphabet
« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2009, 06:07:04 pm »
Haha, I suppose a d would be best for ayskxawng, but it might be best to really emphasize the flap so that we dont have a bunch of mispronouncing Na'Vi speakers running about!

Good point. Image updated, and I'll sticky or make a topic about the R Flap


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Re: Alphabet
« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2009, 06:19:02 pm »
I have no way to host mp3s, but this is an audio grab I just did of Neytiri saying "nari" for reference. http://www.sendspace.com/file/2l74jq  It's only 17KB.  Not sure how you'll stick it in your alphabet though.

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Re: Alphabet
« Reply #19 on: December 22, 2009, 06:22:09 pm »
Yoink!

I'm also starting an audio section in the forum to post recordings and all listenable examples.

 

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