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Re: Alphabet
« Reply #40 on: February 24, 2010, 11:44:30 am »
this is perfect for me! im a Visual learner. Thanks bunches! :)

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Re: Alphabet
« Reply #41 on: February 24, 2010, 12:13:53 pm »
I'm a little confused on how to pronounce, and tell the difference,  the l and ll.

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Re: Alphabet
« Reply #42 on: February 24, 2010, 03:23:35 pm »
I'm a little confused on how to pronounce, and tell the difference,  the l and ll.

Think of "Little": the l is like the first L of "Little", while the ll is like the final le. Na'vi l is followed by a vowel (like Li in "Little"), whereas ll follows another consonant as if it were a vowel (like tle in "Little").

So if a Na'vi were to write the English word "little", they'd come up with lìtll.
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Re: Alphabet
« Reply #43 on: February 24, 2010, 03:33:30 pm »
Ah alrighty now it makes sense. thanks bunches :)

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Re: Alphabet
« Reply #44 on: March 16, 2010, 10:41:41 pm »
... what's SA?
South Africa. (Added.)
... and can you really lump England, Canada, and the U.S. into the same column?  Isn't BBC rather different from NBC?
AFAIK, I chose words which shouldn't differ between these countries. I had originally set up separate columns for RP and GA/CanE, but once I filled them out I realized they weren't necessary. For example, "out" would not have been a good illustration for aw, due to raising in much of Canada. But "cow" has pretty much the same pronunciation in all three standards. Of course, you will still be able to tell where someone is from from their accent, but I hope listeners would agree that a speaker is using the correct vowels if they follow this chart.


SA is also South Australia,
but I get your point as many of us do have strong accents without realizing it. Great examples for the vowels.
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On the other hand, I could have chosen "kit" as the illustration for ì, and it would've worked for all countries but New Zealand. But by choosing "bit" for everyone else and "kit" for SA, I made it clear that for South Africans, Na'vi ì is not like their vowel in "bit", which who knows, could potentially clear up a point of confusion for someone.
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Re: Alphabet
« Reply #45 on: April 25, 2010, 11:09:25 am »
i have a question about the a and the a with the dots on it. (cant type it out sorry)  in some words u cant tell a difference between the two. like in pivangkxo (a with dots) and Kaltxì. the way iv been pronoucing them (the way i heard them pronounced anyway) they sound almost exactly alike. does this have something to do with the grammer of a word or something?  Irayo

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Re: Alphabet
« Reply #46 on: April 25, 2010, 11:38:01 am »
It may be sloppy pronunciation. But they're very similar sounds, closer than English "brat" and "bra". If you know Spanish, a is the Spanish a, whereas ä is the general US English a.

BTW, the ä and ì keys can be found just above your edit window, along with all the formatting buttons.

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Re: Alphabet
« Reply #47 on: April 25, 2010, 05:13:06 pm »
wait, ew sounds like eyo?
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Re: Alphabet
« Reply #48 on: April 25, 2010, 05:14:46 pm »
and the rr confused me. is that when you roll ur r's?
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Re: Alphabet
« Reply #49 on: April 25, 2010, 11:51:32 pm »
that's all I want to know. how do you pronounce tx, kx, rr, and ew. if You can help me out, I would appreciate it. thanks.
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Re: Alphabet
« Reply #50 on: April 26, 2010, 01:00:34 am »
"Rr" is a somewhat exaggerated trill. Like Spanish "perro", but without any vowel before it. "R" is like the 'r' in Spanish "pero", and will have a vowel before it.

"Ew" does not occur in English. It's Spanish "eu". Closest in English is "eeew!" (as in "yuck!"), which would be "iw" or "ìw" in Na'vi. "Ew" is somewhere between that "eeew!" and an exaggerated "oh! (yuck!)". Same idea, just stand with an "eh" vowel. (If you've ever watched Carol Burnett imitate the Queen of England, her version of a royal "oh!" is pretty close.)

As for tx and kx, those are ejectives. There's a huge discussion of them, some with sound files, in the index right next to this discussion. Wikipedia also has an article on them. If you can hold your breath and still make a popping t or k sound, you're on your way.

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Re: Alphabet
« Reply #51 on: April 26, 2010, 10:41:00 am »
ew is pronounced exactly as it looks, it took me a while but the word tewti (wow) how me get it right. Essentially, start with the te sound (to rhyme with meh) and move your lips the way you do for a w, they ought to move together and round out. The ti is then just like the English tea.

As for the ejectives tx, kx and px, try saying the letter t, k or p as loudly as you can with your breath held, you should here a slight popping sound in which case you've got the ejective of that letter.

"Rr" is a somewhat exaggerated trill. Like Spanish "perro", but without any vowel before it. "R" is like the 'r' in Spanish "pero", and will have a vowel before it.

pelun exaggerated?

rr is just a trill with no vowel.
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Re: Alphabet
« Reply #52 on: April 26, 2010, 12:22:33 pm »
pelun exaggerated?

rr is just a trill with no vowel.

Well, at least the way Paul pronounces it, it's longer than a simple trill.

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Re: Alphabet
« Reply #53 on: April 26, 2010, 12:46:19 pm »
I thought you meant exaggerated as in overstressed. I understand now, irayo.
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Re: Alphabet
« Reply #54 on: April 26, 2010, 03:44:02 pm »
oh, ok. Irayo! (thats thanks, right? lol)
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Re: Alphabet
« Reply #55 on: April 29, 2010, 07:08:36 pm »
Irayo for the help :) it is much appreciated.

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Re: Alphabet
« Reply #56 on: October 18, 2010, 08:45:43 pm »
I hope I'm not necro-ing this thread but I want to let you know that the link to the video of pronunciation is broken, it leads to the main learnnavi.org page. Can anyone fix this? I really would like a video to know how to pronounce things.  :)

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Re: Alphabet
« Reply #57 on: October 18, 2010, 10:11:44 pm »
Sran, talknavi.com has been down for a while, for a reason I can't quite explain... :(

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Re: Alphabet
« Reply #58 on: October 18, 2010, 11:41:32 pm »
If you look around, Ftafpi's pronounciation videos are still there, and a very useful resource for the new learner. Also check out Tiera Radio. Lots of good Na`vi being spoken there to learn from.

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Re: Alphabet
« Reply #59 on: October 19, 2010, 10:01:49 pm »
If you look around, Ftafpi's pronounciation videos are still there, and a very useful resource for the new learner. Also check out Tiera Radio. Lots of good Na`vi being spoken there to learn from.

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