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Am I pronouncing this right?
« on: October 14, 2011, 02:20:26 pm »
Kìyevame-goodbye/see ya

(kihh-yeh-vah-meh)

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Re: Am I pronouncing this right?
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2011, 03:18:13 pm »
Yes, I think. Stress on the third syllable. (Others will correct me if I'm wrong. :))

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Re: Am I pronouncing this right?
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2011, 03:46:31 pm »
Yes, I think. Stress on the third syllable. (Others will correct me if I'm wrong. :))
Really on third.
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Re: Am I pronouncing this right?
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2011, 03:48:35 pm »
yes. Kihh-yeh-VAH-meh.

"kihh" may have either the i sound of "in" or the i sound of "machine".
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Re: Am I pronouncing this right?
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2011, 11:22:55 pm »
"kihh" may have either the i sound of "in" or the i sound of "machine".

True, and I prefer the latter.  It tends to vary by speaker.

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Re: Am I pronouncing this right?
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2011, 04:50:58 am »
Do note, however, that if the word is spelt kìyevame, there is no choice: it must be the lax vowel in "hit". It's just that there exists a variant form kiyevame (or, rather, a variant form of the fused ‹iv› + ‹ay›/‹ìy› infix), with the tense vowel sound of "see". Which spelling, and thereby pronunciation, to use is up to the speaker, but once a choice is made this particular degree of freedom disappears.

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Re: Am I pronouncing this right?
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2011, 08:40:09 pm »
Do note, however, that if the word is spelt kìyevame, there is no choice: it must be the lax vowel in "hit". It's just that there exists a variant form kiyevame (or, rather, a variant form of the fused ‹iv› + ‹ay›/‹ìy› infix), with the tense vowel sound of "see". Which spelling, and thereby pronunciation, to use is up to the speaker, but once a choice is made this particular degree of freedom disappears.

I'm not sure the spelling difference has to have any influence on pronounciation for <ìyev> or <iyev>.  Is there a canon reference?

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Re: Am I pronouncing this right?
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2011, 05:28:55 am »
I'm not sure the spelling difference has to have any influence on pronounciation for <ìyev> or <iyev>.  Is there a canon reference?
According to K. Pawl, ‹iyev› is the original form, arising from *‹iyv› where an epenthetic e upholds Na'vi phonotactics. The ‹ìyev› form has emerged as a variant under affection from the anaptyxis, so that both versions of the infix are accepted. (Translated from Linguistic: the e is inserted to prevent an illegal syllable and has influenced the i into becoming an ì.)

My point is that if you spell the word kìyevame, you should pronounce it with a lax vowel, and -- vice versa -- if you pronounce it with a tense vowel, you should spell it kiyevame.

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Re: Am I pronouncing this right?
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2011, 12:48:00 pm »
My point is that if you spell the word kìyevame, you should pronounce it with a lax vowel, and -- vice versa -- if you pronounce it with a tense vowel, you should spell it kiyevame.

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Re: Am I pronouncing this right?
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2011, 11:40:37 pm »
My point is that if you spell the word kìyevame, you should pronounce it with a lax vowel, and -- vice versa -- if you pronounce it with a tense vowel, you should spell it kiyevame.

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Re: Am I pronouncing this right?
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2011, 01:32:52 pm »
I agree that for consistency's sake and whatnot, that it makes the most sense to speak it they way you spell it. it's just that both pronunciations, and both spellings are acceptable.

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Re: Am I pronouncing this right?
« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2011, 01:38:34 am »
Here is an interesting observation. I have been corrected pronouncing kìyevame. In all cases, I was told kiyevame was 'correct' way.

So, is the choice of i or ì on the <iyev> infix always speaker's choice?

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Re: Am I pronouncing this right?
« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2011, 05:14:02 am »
So, is the choice of i or ì on the <iyev> infix always speaker's choice?

Basically, yeah -- as is the choice between ‹äng› and ‹eng› when followed by i, or the value of u ([u]~[ʊ]) in closed syllables.

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Re: Am I pronouncing this right?
« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2011, 10:26:20 pm »
Generally I prefer free-form allophonic variation in those cases.

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