Am I pronouncing this right?

Started by Txonä Tìranyu, October 14, 2011, 02:20:26 PM

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Txonä Tìranyu

Kìyevame-goodbye/see ya

(kihh-yeh-vah-meh)

P.A.'li makto

Yes, I think. Stress on the third syllable. (Others will correct me if I'm wrong. :))

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Quote from: P.A.'li makto on October 14, 2011, 03:18:13 PM
Yes, I think. Stress on the third syllable. (Others will correct me if I'm wrong. :))
Really on third.
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Tirea Aean

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yes. Kihh-yeh-VAH-meh.

"kihh" may have either the i sound of "in" or the i sound of "machine".

'Oma Tirea

Quote from: Tirea Aean on October 14, 2011, 03:48:35 PM
"kihh" may have either the i sound of "in" or the i sound of "machine".

True, and I prefer the latter.  It tends to vary by speaker.

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Lance R. Casey

Do note, however, that if the word is spelt kìyevame, there is no choice: it must be the lax vowel in "hit". It's just that there exists a variant form kiyevame (or, rather, a variant form of the fused ‹iv› + ‹ay›/‹ìy› infix), with the tense vowel sound of "see". Which spelling, and thereby pronunciation, to use is up to the speaker, but once a choice is made this particular degree of freedom disappears.

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'Oma Tirea

Quote from: Lance R. Casey on October 16, 2011, 04:50:58 AM
Do note, however, that if the word is spelt kìyevame, there is no choice: it must be the lax vowel in "hit". It's just that there exists a variant form kiyevame (or, rather, a variant form of the fused ‹iv› + ‹ay›/‹ìy› infix), with the tense vowel sound of "see". Which spelling, and thereby pronunciation, to use is up to the speaker, but once a choice is made this particular degree of freedom disappears.

I'm not sure the spelling difference has to have any influence on pronounciation for <ìyev> or <iyev>.  Is there a canon reference?

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Quote from: 'Oma Tirea on October 16, 2011, 08:40:09 PM
I'm not sure the spelling difference has to have any influence on pronounciation for <ìyev> or <iyev>.  Is there a canon reference?
According to K. Pawl, ‹iyev› is the original form, arising from *‹iyv› where an epenthetic e upholds Na'vi phonotactics. The ‹ìyev› form has emerged as a variant under affection from the anaptyxis, so that both versions of the infix are accepted. (Translated from Linguistic: the e is inserted to prevent an illegal syllable and has influenced the i into becoming an ì.)

My point is that if you spell the word kìyevame, you should pronounce it with a lax vowel, and -- vice versa -- if you pronounce it with a tense vowel, you should spell it kiyevame.

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Txonä Tìranyu

Quote from: Lance R. Casey on October 17, 2011, 05:28:55 AM
My point is that if you spell the word kìyevame, you should pronounce it with a lax vowel, and -- vice versa -- if you pronounce it with a tense vowel, you should spell it kiyevame.

got it

'Oma Tirea

Quote from: Txonä Tìranyu on October 17, 2011, 12:48:00 PM
Quote from: Lance R. Casey on October 17, 2011, 05:28:55 AM
My point is that if you spell the word kìyevame, you should pronounce it with a lax vowel, and -- vice versa -- if you pronounce it with a tense vowel, you should spell it kiyevame.

got it

Nìteng tslolam.  Speak as is spelled.

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Tirea Aean

I agree that for consistency's sake and whatnot, that it makes the most sense to speak it they way you spell it. it's just that both pronunciations, and both spellings are acceptable.

`Eylan Ayfalulukanä

Here is an interesting observation. I have been corrected pronouncing kìyevame. In all cases, I was told kiyevame was 'correct' way.

So, is the choice of i or ì on the <iyev> infix always speaker's choice?

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Lance R. Casey

Quote from: `Eylan Ayfalulukanä on October 19, 2011, 01:38:34 AM
So, is the choice of i or ì on the <iyev> infix always speaker's choice?

Basically, yeah -- as is the choice between ‹äng› and ‹eng› when followed by i, or the value of u ([u]~[ʊ]) in closed syllables.

// Lance R. Casey

'Oma Tirea

Generally I prefer free-form allophonic variation in those cases.

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