Pronunciation of 'nga'

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P.A.'li makto

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The second. For sure.

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However, I will work with the language after my exams and I hope I have more knowledge then ;)

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Quote from: P.A.'li makto on July 11, 2010, 06:53:33 AM
How was your maths exam btw? Hope you passed well!
OT but: I don't know the reuslt yet but I have a good feeling about it! They asked the easier stuff and as I had seen the exam I just said "yay!" to myself :)

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Great! Good luck with the rest of the exams, and then set yourself on "ng"-s and others! :)

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Quote from: P.A.'li makto on July 11, 2010, 07:02:44 AM
Great! Good luck with the rest of the exams, and then set yourself on "ng"-s and others! :)
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Quote from: P.A.'li makto on July 11, 2010, 06:29:24 AM
Quote from: bommel on July 11, 2010, 06:22:13 AM
Quote from: P.A.'li makto on July 11, 2010, 06:17:46 AM
I DO rely on your opinion, since you have ears (I suppose) and can hear the same as me! Don't have to be a language genious to do so!
Okay, okay ^^
But I don't know if they were doing it right in the movie ;)
I just know that "ng" is supposed to sound like in "sing"...
Yes, that's what is said... But! for me the na'vi in the FILM is THE NA'VI, and I suppose Frommer monitored the actors while filming. Those people are THE NATIVE SPEAKERS (if there are any at all!, I'm afraid there aren't), so if something was in the FILM, it's good enough for me, too!!!

The film is not a 100% accurate source. Frommer was on set for most of the scenes with large amounts of na'vi, but not the scenes with only a little bit, and even when he was, if Cameron thought it sounded better another way, it ended up going Cameron's way.

The film has a few interesting things, but Frommer's word should always be valued above anything in the film. He says that it is pronounced [ŋ] with no g (like the ng in singer if you don't pronounce the g) and that is the correct na'vi pronunciation, anything else is either an actors mistake, a Cameronian edit or something else, but it is not correct.

Quote from: Muzer on July 11, 2010, 06:45:23 AM
Quote from: P.A.'li makto on July 11, 2010, 06:29:24 AM
Quote from: bommel on July 11, 2010, 06:22:13 AM
Quote from: P.A.'li makto on July 11, 2010, 06:17:46 AM
I DO rely on your opinion, since you have ears (I suppose) and can hear the same as me! Don't have to be a language genious to do so!
Okay, okay ^^
But I don't know if they were doing it right in the movie ;)
I just know that "ng" is supposed to sound like in "sing"...
Yes, that's what is said... But! for me the na'vi in the FILM is THE NA'VI, and I suppose Frommer monitored the actors while filming. Those people are THE NATIVE SPEAKERS (if there are any at all!, I'm afraid there aren't), so if something was in the FILM, it's good enough for me!!!

I wouldn't say that if I were you... or you'll end up pronouncing "mikyun" as "mäkyun" (with the "u" pronounced wrongly as well)

English doesn't use the subjunctive properly on most verbs any more, but were is indeed the first person present subjunctive (as well as its past tense meaning).
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The easiest way to describe it is to say "n", but instead of having your tongue in the usual position, have it in the same position it would be when saying "k" or "g". Then simply release your tongue, without an extra puff of air or anything, to say the "g" part of it.
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Quote from: Muzer on July 11, 2010, 07:34:43 AM
The easiest way to describe it is to say "n", but instead of having your tongue in the usual position, have it in the same position it would be when saying "k" or "g". Then simply release your tongue, without an extra puff of air or anything, to say the "g" part of it.

It is almost like the ng in "sing." I say almost because I've heard many people put a little bit of g sound in there. The 'g' in the Na'vi 'ng' does not make a sound. Practice saying "sing" without pronouncing the g. Then, practice some Na'vi words like nga, ngenga, ngäzik, and ngian. Hope this helps!

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Yeah, I know, but the act of releasing your tongue makes a sound which almost sounds like it.
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Quote from: Muzer on August 17, 2010, 03:27:34 AM
Yeah, I know, but the act of releasing your tongue makes a sound which almost sounds like it.

I keep the back of my tongue up against the back of my mouth when pronouncing "ng." I find that this helps reduce the amount of 'g' soundage.

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Quote from: Muzer on August 17, 2010, 03:27:34 AM
Yeah, I know, but the act of releasing your tongue makes a sound which almost sounds like it.

It shouldn't do any more than an initial n has to have a t/d sound in it. It sounds to me as if you're stopping the nasalisation too soon which would make the release sound like a k/g, just try to keep the nasal airflow up until you release the ng completely, then let the airflow return to normal. It's very difficult to describe (and even harder having it explained to you).
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Quote from: kewnya txamew'itan on August 17, 2010, 05:39:34 PM
Quote from: Muzer on August 17, 2010, 03:27:34 AM
Yeah, I know, but the act of releasing your tongue makes a sound which almost sounds like it.

It shouldn't do any more than an initial n has to have a t/d sound in it.

It does, on the level I'm describing - it only very vaguely sounds like the "g"... just as "n" very vaguely has a "d" at the end. I'm just referring to the little sound you hear at the end of the consonant, which happens to be more g-like in "ng".
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Well, it all comes down to exactly when you stop nasalising it, not the release of the tongue. I've done a boo to try to demonstrate this.

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I checked on Taronyu's dictionary the IPA to make myself sure. I googled a little bit and what I found on wikipedia is a lot of examples of words containing this sound from many languages as well as recorded example of pronunciation as nga as first. But I think that examples of words from other languages may be more helpful for non-English users. So here is the link :)

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