Pronunciation / Phonetics - ts + Syllable-final position letters

Started by Keylstxatsmen, December 31, 2009, 05:53:26 AM

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Keylstxatsmen

Kaltxì!

I've been lurking for the last few days, but now that I set out to learn the language in earnest, some things jump out at me as mistakes in the HTML documention.

ts - I'm guessing this is the Dental Affricate from Dr. Frommer's notes in that article.  He lables it Affricate and it's in the same vertical line as 't', 's', 'r', and 'l'.  He doesn't say if it is voiced or not, but I would think it's the unvoiced 'ts' sound in japanese tsu - つける(tsukeru) or English "cats" (IPA [ts]).  The 'c' symbol in IPA is the "voiceless palatal plosive", which would not be in the same line with those letters but in the next column with 'y', IPA 'j'. Although, he is a linguist and gives the 'c' symbol as the most "scientific" version so I am very confused.  ???

Syllable-final position letters - These are in blue on the phonetics page (just the ts), but in the article he lists these as final position posibilities:

   Ejectives:    px    tx    kx    
   Stops:    p    t    k    '
   Nasals:    m    n    ng    
   Liquids:       r, l    

Seems like some of the colors got mixed up, since the reds don't match up with the article either. 

Other than that slight confusion, thanks to everyone for compiling this information. It's great! Now to start delving into the vocabulary.  :)

-Keyl

Oeru lì'fya leNa'vi prrte' leiu nìtxan! 

Txo nga new leskxawnga tawtutehu nìNa'vi pivängkxo, oeru 'upxaret fpe' ulte ngaru srungit tayìng oel.  Faylì'ut alor nume 'awsiteng ko!

Na'rìghawnu

Concerning your first question: I think, that Dr Frommer, when he said, that
QuoteIn the "scientific" transcription, ts is replaced by c and ng by g. For commercial purposes, however—and also for ease of reading by the actors—the "official" transcription is preferred.
he by "scientific transcription" didn't mean something like the IPA-symbols, but simply the Latin letters, which are used to transcribe the unwritten Na'vi in a manner suitable for English-speakers and many other humans. To use "c" (or any other letter he wanted to) for the [ts]-sound and "g" for the [ŋ]-sound, is more "scientific" by means, that like this you can follow the "one sound = one letter"-rule. If you use "c" instead of "ts" and "g" instead of "ng" there are no longer any exceptions from this rule (besides the Ejectives, marked with the "...x".)