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Kamean

Yes, more Spanish like.
Tse'a ngal ke'ut a krr fra'uti kame.


'Oma Tirea

Quote from: Lance R. Casey on June 19, 2011, 09:30:09 AM
Quote from: 'Oma Tirea on June 18, 2011, 10:44:41 PM
I sometimes wonder about those languages where their only rhotic is [r] and some people can't pronounce it.  Moreover I sometimes wonder what phoneme they use instead...

You should come to Sweden. Our /r/ situation is (in)famous for being a huge mess. ;D

How bad of a mess?  I figure several other Germanic languages have a similar mess for their rhotic consonant too :P

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Quote from: 'Oma Tirea on June 19, 2011, 11:45:57 PM
Quote from: Lance R. Casey on June 19, 2011, 09:30:09 AM
Quote from: 'Oma Tirea on June 18, 2011, 10:44:41 PM
I sometimes wonder about those languages where their only rhotic is [r] and some people can't pronounce it.  Moreover I sometimes wonder what phoneme they use instead...

You should come to Sweden. Our /r/ situation is (in)famous for being a huge mess. ;D

How bad of a mess?  I figure several other Germanic languages have a similar mess for their rhotic consonant too :P

Well, its primary articulation in "Standard Swedish" (which itself is far from standard, or even standardized) is [r], but it can also be realized as any one of [ʀ], [ʁ], [ɹ], [ɾ], [ʂ], [ʐ] or even [w] or something bordering on [ʝ] (all with more sub-differences in degree), depending on dialect and context -- it can even change within the same word in a single dialect. Furthermore, in many (but not all) varieties the /r/ is assimilated when followed by a dental consonant, giving rise to retroflexion: "mars" ("March") becomes [maʂ], "årlig" ("yearly") becomes [ˈoːɭɪɡ] etc. Also, since this effect carries through to subsequent dentals, even across word boundaries, we get: "kvarts" ("quartz") [kvaʈʂ] and "ett barn talar" ("a child speaks") [ɛt ˈbɑːɳ ˈʈɑːlar] etc.

But the real mess lies in our /sj/ and /tj/ sounds. The former is so peculiar that it has its very own IPA symbol (ɧ), but phoneticians still can't agree on just what the heck it is -- and it has an even more convoluted distribution of (overlapping) allophones. We're a crazy lot. ;)

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Aargh--and to think I've been wanting to learn Swedish.  If I go through with it I may have some work cut out for me in learning to follow actual speech.  :P
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'Oma Tirea

Quote from: Lance R. Casey on June 20, 2011, 10:15:32 AM
But the real mess lies in our /sj/ and /tj/ sounds. The former is so peculiar that it has its very own IPA symbol (ɧ), but phoneticians still can't agree on just what the heck it is -- and it has an even more convoluted distribution of (overlapping) allophones. We're a crazy lot. ;)

Sran I read that a lot of spellings have coalesced into this phoneme, making that part of Swedish look worse than the coalescences of English :P

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Quote from: 'Oma Tirea on June 21, 2011, 12:16:50 AM
Quote from: Lance R. Casey on June 20, 2011, 10:15:32 AM
But the real mess lies in our /sj/ and /tj/ sounds. The former is so peculiar that it has its very own IPA symbol (ɧ), but phoneticians still can't agree on just what the heck it is -- and it has an even more convoluted distribution of (overlapping) allophones. We're a crazy lot. ;)

Sran I read that a lot of spellings have coalesced into this phoneme, making that part of Swedish look worse than the coalescences of English :P

A lot? Hardly! I can only think of these off the top of my head: 8)

sjö
sköta
skjorta
stjärna
shelfis
lunch
dusch
fascinerande
garage
Jeanette
station, nation (preserved stop)
diskussion
pension
fors (in dialects with retroflex merger)

// Lance R. Casey

Athos7778

Thanks but this dousnt answer my wuestion. I had a brace as a kid and mygum is at a sight tit because of thhis. What do i do if i cant do it? What can i use instead.
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Quote from: Athos7778 on July 02, 2011, 03:52:46 PM
Thanks but this dousnt answer my wuestion. I had a brace as a kid and mygum is at a sight tit because of thhis. What do i do if i cant do it? What can i use instead.

Idk, whatever it ends up being when you try to do it?