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Started by Neyn'ite Te Tsahìk Txeptsyìp'ite, May 08, 2011, 07:09:14 PM

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Neyn'ite Te Tsahìk Txeptsyìp'ite

srane, oe kem si omum Avatar ke lu eyawr hu lì'fya..

however, I noticed two things.

in the first scene at Hometree, as they are bringing Jake in for the first time, I hear a child say, "tìng pelun!" now, I know what is being said, however it is confusing to me.

last thing; why is nga pronounced 'na' yet awngeyä is pronounced ow-n-gay-ah?

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omängum fra'uti

I think what you hear the child say is fìtseng pelun why here.

Nga is not pronounced na.  There is a difference in the sound, though for someone not used to hearing it, it may be hard to notice.

Finally, on your sentence at the beginning, "do" there is the sense of "do an action", so you can't really use it there. Probably nìngay would work instead.  Also, the last part would probably be better as "Uniltìrantokxìl ke sar lìfya't leNa'vi *nìyawr"

* Nìyawr is not officially a word, but nì- is fairly productive with adjectives.
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Ikran Ahiyìk

About the ng sound..

It is always like what in singer as others give this example, never changes its sound wherever it is placed.
I can surely tell you that na for "nga" is totally wrong.

And boundaries you gave in awngeyä seems not very good..
ow-n-gay-ah? I think it should be just ow-ngay-ah or more clearly owng-ngay-yah.


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Quote from: omängum fra'uti on May 08, 2011, 08:00:04 PM
* Nìyawr is not officially a word, but nì- is fairly productive with adjectives.
It is in fact entirely productive with adjectives:
Quote from: Dr. Frommer"The adverb-former nì- is productive when used with adjectives: nìngay 'truly,' nìwin 'fast,' nìsti 'angrily,' nìftue 'easily,' etc."
http://naviteri.org/2010/07/diminutives-conversational-expressions/
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omängum fra'uti

Wow, I can't believe nobody caught that one of the examples Frommer gave of nì- with adjectives....  Is a verb (sti - angry -> nìsti -> angrily...  Admittedly it is a stative verb, but that makes one wonder about other stative verbs.)
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Quote from: omängum fra'uti on May 08, 2011, 08:00:04 PM
I think what you hear the child say is fìtseng pelun why here.
I also heared: Pelun fìtsenge? :)
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Quote from: omängum fra'uti on May 09, 2011, 02:04:47 PM
Wow, I can't believe nobody caught that one of the examples Frommer gave of nì- with adjectives....  Is a verb (sti - angry -> nìsti -> angrily...  Admittedly it is a stative verb, but that makes one wonder about other stative verbs.)
:o Mind = blown
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omängum fra'uti

Quote from: Kamean on May 09, 2011, 02:13:38 PM
Quote from: omängum fra'uti on May 08, 2011, 08:00:04 PM
I think what you hear the child say is fìtseng pelun why here.
I also heared: Pelun fìtsenge? :)
I hear it said several times, both ways.

Now here's a bit of trivia related to background spoken Na'vi...  Can you find the place in Avatar where someone says "Eywa ngahu"?  It's in there!
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Kamean

Quote from: omängum fra'uti on May 09, 2011, 02:24:14 PM
I hear it said several times, both ways.
That's what I meant.
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Quote from: omängum fra'uti on May 09, 2011, 02:24:14 PM
Quote from: Kamean on May 09, 2011, 02:13:38 PM
Quote from: omängum fra'uti on May 08, 2011, 08:00:04 PM
I think what you hear the child say is fìtseng pelun why here.
I also heared: Pelun fìtsenge? :)
I hear it said several times, both ways.

Now here's a bit of trivia related to background spoken Na'vi...  Can you find the place in Avatar where someone says "Eywa ngahu"?  It's in there!

My 2 cents about the Pelun fìtsenge? thing:
Once someone asked what was being said there, i listened to it like forever, and found that there's a conversation going on between -at least i think- a mother her child, with the mother saying "Tsakem rä'ä si!" and the child replying "Slä pelun?".

I'm not entirely sure about that, and even less since i couldn't make it out ever after that (maybe watching the full movie, not just a part has something to do with it)...


About "Eywa ngahu!"... REALLY ??? Have to find...
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Kamean

Quote from: Hawnuyu atxen on May 09, 2011, 03:18:20 PM
About "Eywa ngahu!"... REALLY ??? Have to find...
Yes. Seems it missed. ???
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Quote from: Kamean on May 09, 2011, 03:58:21 PM
Quote from: Hawnuyu atxen on May 09, 2011, 03:18:20 PM
About "Eywa ngahu!"... REALLY ??? Have to find...
Yes. Seems it missed. ???
Never noticed......

I also heard something more like zenke lu where you pointed out the more correct but somewhat butchered tsenge pelun?

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omängum fra'uti

It's really hard to find, so if you're curious...

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Ngawng

I heard tsìng pelun....maybe they were talking about Jake's fingers?

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Kamean

Quote from: Ngawng on May 10, 2011, 05:27:40 AM
I heard tsìng pelun....maybe they were talking about Jake's fingers?
If this were so, it would be: mrr pelun; because Jack have five fingers.
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Ngawng

Quote from: Kamean on May 10, 2011, 10:05:35 AM
Quote from: Ngawng on May 10, 2011, 05:27:40 AM
I heard tsìng pelun....maybe they were talking about Jake's fingers?
If this were so, it would be: mrr pelun; because Jack have five fingers.
Well yeah but it's possible they're not counting thumbs....hrh maybe

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Kamean

Quote from: Ngawng on May 12, 2011, 08:37:03 AM
Quote from: Kamean on May 10, 2011, 10:05:35 AM
Quote from: Ngawng on May 10, 2011, 05:27:40 AM
I heard tsìng pelun....maybe they were talking about Jake's fingers?
If this were so, it would be: mrr pelun; because Jack have five fingers.
Well yeah but it's possible they're not counting thumbs....hrh maybe
Hrh ;D
Great idea.
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