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Offline Irtaviš Ačankif

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Re: Astral Projection: Gateway to Other Worlds
« Reply #20 on: August 20, 2011, 05:54:00 am »
@Tsayl Maktoyu

That's what Big Pseudoscience wants you to believe (that scientists have double standards), but it isn't the truth. As long as the evidence is sound and solid you can get it accepted. There are quite a few studies supporting telepathy and such in major scientific journals.

However, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Telepathy, which is hard to imagine because air doesn't conduct neural connections, is an extraordinary claim. A few percent more correct above random guessing is not extraordinary evidence. Before Big Pseudoscience jumps out with the Copernicus thing, let me make it clear. Copernicus DID make an extraordinary claim, however, it was backed with EXTRAORDINARY evidence. The planets behave EXACTLY as Copernicus predicted them, and every diversion from the prediction of Aristotle's theories was completely written in the equations of Copernicus. Copernicus did not say, "Hey, my prediction of the planet's motion was WAY better than random guessing!"

The same thing is to be said of Einstein's relativity. Sure, at first quite a few people rejected the idea, but still the community as a whole grudgingly welcomed the theory because it had extraordinary evidence.

In the same way, lucidity.com's research is actually quite accepted by the scientific community because it has evidence. But to end the debate you need extraordinary evidence, which unfortunately doesn't exist for OBEs.

P.S. I'm sure if humans can tsaheyl si with each other then telepathy would be much easier to explain  ;D
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Re: Astral Projection: Gateway to Other Worlds
« Reply #21 on: August 20, 2011, 08:01:19 am »
For Eywas sake, here I am bravely trying to get the project started again, and you are all just talking about dreaming. :P (No offense.)

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Re: Astral Projection: Gateway to Other Worlds
« Reply #22 on: August 20, 2011, 08:40:34 am »
THat was what I thought. A tribe and astral projection? How's that related? Are you trying to set up an uniltaron ritual for the tribe?  ;D
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Re: Astral Projection: Gateway to Other Worlds
« Reply #23 on: August 20, 2011, 03:20:32 pm »
I was going to rebut, but I agree, let's get this topic back on the tracks.

Anyway, yeah, this does sound like an interesting ritual. At first this thread, it seems, was more about individual astral projection, but I could see it becoming that. :)
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Re: Astral Projection: Gateway to Other Worlds
« Reply #24 on: August 20, 2011, 08:08:58 pm »
While that most CERTAINLY was NOT the intended purpose of this thread (and I'm quite surprised by the sudden change in direction), I am pleased with this development. Perhaps we could make it a ritual. Perhaps part of Unìltaron?
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Re: Astral Projection: Gateway to Other Worlds
« Reply #25 on: August 20, 2011, 09:50:41 pm »
The only problem I see is that this takes a lot of training (both LDing and Astral Projection). Maybe we can start teaching people early?


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Re: Astral Projection: Gateway to Other Worlds
« Reply #26 on: August 21, 2011, 01:18:55 pm »
I think we (or you guys) could form some sort of group and when we (or you guys) all feel that we (or you guys) are ready to teach we (or you guys) could have a skype meeting/class/seminar thing. I guess. Where we (or you guys) could teach people before the Tribe actually gets going. So we have time, but you're right, it DOES take a lot of training.
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Re: Astral Projection: Gateway to Other Worlds
« Reply #27 on: August 21, 2011, 02:37:02 pm »
I can, if you all would like, lead in rituals if we are to undergo them. I am Wiccan, so I have a good amount of knowledge in practicing ritual. however, I do not have experience in astral projection because I have a hard time meditating.

if we want to do this, we must all practice meditating. we can most certainly wait until we are all together to do this; but if we want it to be successful, we should probably start practicing now. and at least two or three times a day; at first, meditate for five minutes, then ten, then 20, and etcetera. or don't even keep track of time; but at the beginning, start out slow (meaning meditation for a short amount of time) and then build up until you can meditate for half an hour+

so if you would like I can lead in ritual; not just for this particular reason, too. if we are to be 'Na'vi', I am guessing a lot of you may want to follow and practice the spiritual beliefs of Eywa? if so, I may be one of the most knowledgeable and experienced. we also must use certain things as in herbs, incense, oils, stones/minerals, etcetera. s
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Re: Astral Projection: Gateway to Other Worlds
« Reply #28 on: August 22, 2011, 11:07:03 am »
This is a fact. Spirituality will play a key role in the development and continuation of our goals, namely Tribal functions. Meditation is important to me as I am a Jedi, so I try to meditate for at least 15 minutes a day and for 30 minutes once a week. It is a beneficial practice that will help solve many problems. The use of herbs, incense/oils, stones/minerals, etc., is a wonderful idea. I, too, am knowledgeable, but am lacking in the experience department. Someone who could "lead" in rituals would be most beneficial. Is there a thread for this kind of stuff? Its cool to have it here, but this not the perfect thread for it... Unless we want it to be! But for the sake of clarity, we should find/start a thread for this discussion. I think more people would participate in this new topic if it WERE a new topic, so to speak.
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Re: Astral Projection: Gateway to Other Worlds
« Reply #29 on: September 08, 2011, 05:53:32 pm »
o.O I didn't know 'Jedi' was a religion.
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Re: Astral Projection: Gateway to Other Worlds
« Reply #30 on: September 10, 2011, 04:54:51 pm »
They outnumber the Jews three to two over in the UK.  ;)

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Re: Astral Projection: Gateway to Other Worlds
« Reply #31 on: September 10, 2011, 06:55:16 pm »
Jedi? Woot woot...Eywa religion, anyone? Fantardism gone too far...
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Re: Astral Projection: Gateway to Other Worlds
« Reply #32 on: September 11, 2011, 02:04:54 am »
Jediism sounds like a modern version of pantheism. Quite interesting, actually, how pop culture can play such a role in influencing our spiritual beliefs. :) It has such a large effect in so many other areas (remember the references to Angry Birds during the Arab Spring?), why not religion?
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Re: Astral Projection: Gateway to Other Worlds
« Reply #33 on: September 18, 2011, 05:15:21 am »
Well... It'll certainly be good, to set up new topic of tribal cultures, customs and rituals... Some of them will surely change on site, but most of them could stay unchanged... This part is IMHO the borderline between being "bunch of people surviving in the nature" and the Tribe. Tribe is not surviving and living from one day to another, but living... Every tribe has it's own rituals, traditions etcetera. If we (you) want to be a tribe, we should have customs of some kind... Meditations and beliefs are going throughout all tribes and it's daily life... Even Na'vi had beliefs, customs, traditions and rituals... We are mostly doing our research in where do we set up the camp, looking on immigration laws, but we don't think of, how do we live...
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Re: Astral Projection: Gateway to Other Worlds
« Reply #34 on: October 04, 2011, 04:48:25 pm »
These are all excellent points (though "Jediism" is actually the Sith way, Tsyal Maktoyu). There should be a thread for the discussion (further discussion, anyway) of spiritualism (rituals, meditations, etc.) in the Tribe and a thread to list them all (that we have worked out to their fullest extent).
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Re: Astral Projection: Gateway to Other Worlds
« Reply #35 on: October 09, 2011, 04:57:41 am »
Yes, but it is not that easy to settle. A real culture takes some time to build by itself. But it is surely a good idea to see where the bases could be (Na'vi?).


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Re: Astral Projection: Gateway to Other Worlds
« Reply #36 on: October 09, 2011, 02:49:00 pm »
I've never tried Astral Projection, but I've always wanted to try it out. The only things that stopped me was my fear of leaving my body unattended and the fact that I don't know where to start or how to Astral Project. It's always interesting to hear the experiences of those who've actually wandered out of their bodies, though. If it's true that anything can become a reality when you Astral Project then I hope I can so that I can spend my days wandering around Pandora and possibly gaining wisdom from others (Na'vi) I encounter.

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Re: Astral Projection: Gateway to Other Worlds
« Reply #37 on: October 09, 2011, 06:33:32 pm »
Astral projection is just another name for lucid dreams. You control what happens in them, not the outside world. IOW, it does not actually project your soul *outside* your body, it only creates a virtual world *inside* your brain you can then explore. And you can control that world - you can actually teleport yourself to Pandora with just will power!

It can feel like you left your own body behind. Sooner or later though, you always have to wake up;D
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Re: Astral Projection: Gateway to Other Worlds
« Reply #38 on: October 10, 2011, 01:11:14 am »
So has anyone here managed to have any OBEs/Astral Trips/Lucid Dreams (depending on what one chooses to believe) recently?

Oh, and here's something interesting I found about indigenous astral travel. Might be an interesting tidbit to maybe add/conform to our eventual culture. :)

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The yaskomo of the Waiwai is believed to be able to perform a "soul flight" that can serve several functions such as healing, flying to the sky to consult cosmological beings (the moon or the brother of the moon) to get a name for a new-born baby, lying to the cave of peccaries' mountains to ask the father of peccaries for abundance of game or flying deep down in a river to get the help of other beings.[31]
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Re: Astral Projection: Gateway to Other Worlds
« Reply #39 on: October 10, 2011, 09:23:27 am »
I am quite experienced in that kind of thing. I have gone to Pandora quite a lot of times, mì ayunil... ;D

The easiest way is to do regular reality checks (literally). For example, you can watch a clock and see if it goes the right direction and looks right. If it doesn't, just say "Pxasìk", bang your hand on the table, and teleport yourself to Pandora  ;D :D
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