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Re: Devil's Advocate and All the Bad Stuff.
« Reply #60 on: February 18, 2010, 03:48:56 pm »
Not only would those who chose be able to permanently live outside the village in the wild, but with the village somewhat nearby they would have a good base to fall back on if something bad happened.

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Re: Devil's Advocate and All the Bad Stuff.
« Reply #61 on: February 18, 2010, 03:52:07 pm »
Thats exactly what I was thinking Rolyu ;D. When I say nearby that could be a few miles (or less) away, it doesn't have to intefere with the tribal part (that's kinda the point of seperating them as two locations).
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Re: Devil's Advocate and All the Bad Stuff.
« Reply #62 on: February 18, 2010, 03:52:50 pm »
Txon Taronyu, You are way too young and stubborn.
You sound like me when I was sixteen.

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Re: Devil's Advocate and All the Bad Stuff.
« Reply #63 on: February 18, 2010, 03:53:10 pm »
fine that was a bit rash
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Re: Devil's Advocate and All the Bad Stuff.
« Reply #64 on: February 18, 2010, 03:55:23 pm »
This is not about modernizing or changing a tribal experience, it's about offering an alternative as well as a saftey net. Well, that's how I see it. As a side note I am only 16 also  ;)
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Re: Devil's Advocate and All the Bad Stuff.
« Reply #65 on: February 18, 2010, 03:56:33 pm »
but there is a difference between physical age and attitude. ;D
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Re: Devil's Advocate and All the Bad Stuff.
« Reply #66 on: February 18, 2010, 03:56:41 pm »
And plus, we don't even know how much (if any at all) compromise we're talking about yet! We'd still need to work out the basics and such.

Sigh all my hopes are going down the drain with this eco village

I know its more relistic but its just not the same

Mine too, guy. Mine too. But I also dreamed of being an astronaut when I was younger. I know that's an extreme example, but it's okay to shoot for the stars and hit the moon. I still say we should do our best to see if we can't figure out how to do the tribe, but if we fail, at least we have the village!

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Re: Devil's Advocate and All the Bad Stuff.
« Reply #67 on: February 18, 2010, 04:01:10 pm »
Fine ya  I was just worried and a bit rash I am normaly very good at not being rash or stupid but today man I feel so much like a skxawng

ya but I did think about what fnua atxkxe said and I agree
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Re: Devil's Advocate and All the Bad Stuff.
« Reply #68 on: February 18, 2010, 04:04:25 pm »
I know there is a differnece I was just saying... I also love the idea of going tribal having recently re-evaluated what direction I want my life to take but am just wondering how feasible it is to maintain this kind of community for the long run i.e decades or more. I am not against a permanent tribe and would consider it as a possibility for myself but i agree that more planning needs to take place first. the village is after all only an idea. Also it is unreasonable to expect some of the older people (eg 60 + ) to survive in such a demanding environment. This would provide for people who are maybe no longer able or desire the complete tribal experience but still want to be involved in a na'vi orientated community. Doesn't really apply to myself but just thinking of the wider community.
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Re: Devil's Advocate and All the Bad Stuff.
« Reply #69 on: February 18, 2010, 04:05:59 pm »
True sorry I am such a skxawng today sorry noramly I am more rational and smart (well less of a skxawng)
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Re: Devil's Advocate and All the Bad Stuff.
« Reply #70 on: February 18, 2010, 04:07:20 pm »
Yikes.  It seems like only yesterday I was 16.  Now I'm 19 and you guys are making feel old!  >D

On another note. You guys need to raise a LOT of money to get all of the land needed for this sort of things.
To sustain a large group of people living off the land, you'd probably want to go with 200+ acres, with some open areas, access to natural waterways (streams, river, lake, whatever) and over 80% of that being good healthy timber. (I mean forest.)


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Re: Devil's Advocate and All the Bad Stuff.
« Reply #71 on: February 18, 2010, 04:07:23 pm »
I know there is a differnece I was just saying... I also love the idea of going tribal having recently re-evaluated what direction I want my life to take but am just wondering how feasible it is to maintain this kind of community for the long run i.e decades or more. I am not against a permanent tribe and would consider it as a possibility for myself but i agree that more planning needs to take place first. the village is after all only an idea. Also it is unreasonable to expect some of the older people (eg 60 + ) to survive in such a demanding environment. This would provide for people who are maybe no longer able or desire the complete tribal experience but still want to be involved in a na'vi orientated community. Doesn't really apply to myself but just thinking of the wider community.

I was saying that so far you seem to have a positive attitude. it was an attempt at niceness. I know im not very good at it, :D sorry.
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Re: Devil's Advocate and All the Bad Stuff.
« Reply #72 on: February 18, 2010, 04:08:56 pm »
Don't be so hard on yourself Txon Taronyu :). It is easy to get excited by your passion for such an enthralling idea.
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Re: Devil's Advocate and All the Bad Stuff.
« Reply #73 on: February 18, 2010, 04:09:49 pm »
well what ever im sure every body will come to a good compremise

And thxs fnua atxkxe thats nice of you to say
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Re: Devil's Advocate and All the Bad Stuff.
« Reply #74 on: February 18, 2010, 04:13:26 pm »
I know there is a differnece I was just saying... I also love the idea of going tribal having recently re-evaluated what direction I want my life to take but am just wondering how feasible it is to maintain this kind of community for the long run i.e decades or more. I am not against a permanent tribe and would consider it as a possibility for myself but i agree that more planning needs to take place first. the village is after all only an idea. Also it is unreasonable to expect some of the older people (eg 60 + ) to survive in such a demanding environment. This would provide for people who are maybe no longer able or desire the complete tribal experience but still want to be involved in a na'vi orientated community. Doesn't really apply to myself but just thinking of the wider community.

I was saying that so far you seem to have a positive attitude. it was an attempt at niceness. I know im not very good at it, :D sorry.

Irayo ma tsmukan. I know thats what you mean and thats what I took it as. I'd give you +1 karma for being nice but don't have enough posts yet. Eywa ngahu
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Re: Devil's Advocate and All the Bad Stuff.
« Reply #75 on: February 18, 2010, 04:13:34 pm »
i like the village idea. Having it there as a safety net and what-not. I had figured that the summer camp was going to be close enough for that anyways and that that is what the summer camp was going to be like. I think many members here that don't even post here and even people from outside the site wouldn't mind to even pay to stay at something like that for a week, or even a month.
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Re: Devil's Advocate and All the Bad Stuff.
« Reply #76 on: February 18, 2010, 04:23:10 pm »
I would ;D

Kinda would be like the summer camp but would also be perm. Maybe we could use it as the funding base to generate an income to support the community

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Re: Devil's Advocate and All the Bad Stuff.
« Reply #77 on: February 18, 2010, 05:57:35 pm »
That's what i was thinking good to see someone on the same page! ;D
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Re: Devil's Advocate and All the Bad Stuff.
« Reply #78 on: February 18, 2010, 09:35:58 pm »
There is a thread called "Eco-Village vs. Tribal Poll" or something, and our Tsmukan made a very excellent point. Check it out the next time you see it ^_^

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Re: Devil's Advocate and All the Bad Stuff.
« Reply #79 on: February 19, 2010, 02:02:49 am »
Sorry but I may bring up things already discussed as i just got back on and have not had time to read everything previously posted but as someone not uncommon to long camping trips (even though I have not been on one in a good year) I will suggest things that can help. believe it or not but a lot of early soaps are created from diluted lye (sodium hydroxide - drain cleaner) it is powerful stuff and can be slowly leached from certain animals fats and even activated carbon. hunting would be a pain because exactly how do you get the rights to hunt without a license? There are far more restrictions in our day then ever before. Setting up a Summer camp is an incredible idea and probably the most practical. once people get a taste they will know if they want to keep at it or drop it like a hot rock. sorry back to problemsolving. waste management can be achieved my simple irrigation which can be used for soil upkeep as well if you plant things. however human waste is nowhere near effective enough and there are different kinds of plants some of which leach far more nutrients out of the soil than others. all sorts of plants also can give taste to food and tons of them are easy to find if you know where to look. ants even are incredible if you ever have the gall to try one. go with black first as you need to get them before they bite you. but they are great spice go try one. also a bunch of mildly to moderately poisonous plants are great spices you just have to leach the poison out of them with boiling water and them letting them soak a few days in the sun but this doesnt always work for all plants. also cleaning water for drinking can be easily achieved with proper equipment. realize that nothing is impossible and that living off the land is very possible but there are alot of restrictions and you will have to pettition the local governments and agencies in order to get permissions and rights to certain activities. I say go for it. but make sure you know exactly what your getting into. also plan this for at least a year before starting. this is a big project
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