Guns. Yes or No?

Started by 'Itan Atxur, February 24, 2010, 11:40:37 AM

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So, should guns be allowed in the tribe?

Yes. For hunting and protection.
4 (11.1%)
No. Not for any reason at all.
16 (44.4%)
Yes, but for protection only.
12 (33.3%)
Yes, but only in the eco village
0 (0%)
No guns, but crossbows are okay
4 (11.1%)
Other (please explain)
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 33

'Itan Atxur

I'm gonna open this topic with a quote that I happen to completely agree with:

Quote from: Autakuk'Ekong on February 24, 2010, 11:27:10 AM
Guns for hunting in a wilderness setting has only two true purposes to it, and it is for easy targeting and a fast kill.  But it has so many bad qualities over bows and arrows that I would not use them.

1) Guns need bullets.  Once the bullets are used, they are gone for good, and can't be used again.  Arrows are "re-usable"

2) Say you need a lot more game than just one animal.  Guns make such a startling noise that you'd lose your chance for more game the moment you shoot.  Bows and arrows are more silent.  Not completely, but it's a lot softer than a gun.

3) Simply cocking a gun could set an animal off and run.  B&A's don't do that.

4) B&A's are lighter to carry than guns.

This has a lot of potential to become a VERY heated discussion. All I ask is that you voice your opinions and state your facts with passion but also with reason. Irayo. (also, I'm withholding my vote for now)

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Fnua Atxkxe

#1
I don't like the symbolism that guns represent i.e war, death etc. Personally I would find it quite offputting if there were guns going about in the tribe. Guns just have too many negative connotations
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Elektrolurch

But bows or crossbows are the same, aren't they?
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'Itan Atxur

Even looking at it from a practical stand point, I just don't see guns as being necessary. Plus it's far easier to accidentally shoot someone with a gun than it is with bow and arrow. (still haven't voted. I want to see all the arguments first)


[edit] I never even thought about crossbows. I'll add that to the poll.

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Elektrolurch

When we know how to shoot with a reflex bow or something, it's certainly a better weapon in all ways..
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Tsawla Eltu Tsamsiyu

Bows are by far the best choice. They are (like others have said) safer and less "negative." I greatly dislike guns and refuse to use one. Crossbows may be too technologically advanced for the real life tribe. Though I'm sure (and it hurts me to say this) that eventually the Na'vi would have invented something similar to a crossbow. I still say no to all manner of projctile weapons except those in the "Bow and Arrow" category.
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Elektrolurch

But it requests an amazing amount of training...
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Fnua Atxkxe

More training is never a bad thing, teaches you to respect the weapon more and yes practically I don't see the advantage. If they provided a serious advantage I could consider it but I don't see that they do. Feel free to prove me wrong though
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Ikranä mokri

its easier to shoot a bow than a crossbow in allot of ways

and a bow is generally much more accurate than a crossbow anyway and they have better range .
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More training is never a bad thing, teaches you to respect the weapon more and yes practically I don't see the advantage. If they provided a serious advantage I could consider it but I don't see that they do. Feel free to prove me wrong though
and that is a very true thing no one is perfect with anythign so practicing is always teh sign of a master of a sport





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Elektrolurch

Quote from: Twonyu Ikranä on February 24, 2010, 12:41:44 PM
its easier to shoot a bow than a crossbow in allot of ways

and a bow is generally much more accurate than a crossbow anyway and they have better range .
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More training is never a bad thing, teaches you to respect the weapon more and yes practically I don't see the advantage. If they provided a serious advantage I could consider it but I don't see that they do. Feel free to prove me wrong though
and that is a very true thing no one is perfect with anythign so practicing is always teh sign of a master of a sport

NO.

With a crossbow, you just can invest more energy. An arrow just flies as fast as strong you pull him. You're much more precise and exact with a bow.
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'Itan Atxur

Well it looks like this is gonna be a nearly unanimous poll ;D

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Ikranä mokri

yeah but you need to put that energy in to get it out!!!

its allot harder to draw a crossbow than it is to draw a bow !!





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Elektrolurch

Sure it is :)

If you want to know anything, I'm a bow- and crossbow specialist. And i don't know the english term for thrown axes used for hunting ;D
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Ikranä mokri

were using axes now ????

can we just stick to bows for now then maybe if you want to use a really obscure then do it then ?





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Quote from: 'Itan Atxur on February 24, 2010, 12:06:01 PM
Even looking at it from a practical stand point, I just don't see guns as being necessary. Plus it's far easier to accidentally shoot someone with a gun than it is with bow and arrow. (still haven't voted. I want to see all the arguments first)


[edit] I never even thought about crossbows. I'll add that to the poll.

You don't accidently shhot someone if you know how to use one and are trained in how to shoot. You never put your finger on the trigger unless you are ready to kill. That's the rule.
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Knock knock! Not to be the ass here. Ok bow hunting awesome I've done it beats sitiing in a dear blind hands down. But your in this world not Pandora there more than one race of people to contend with if for anything keep them for protection, and just depending on location darn well may need them while hunt to avoid being on the noon day meal of a larger preditor. Ok I'm behind this whole real tribe thing I see many postive things that can come from it, I really do. But 18 years in the army one ( police action ) and a war told me tbe real worl sucks! There's more on this topic I want to share but I'm on my phone and no real net till next week I relocated ( keep the blue monkeys off my tracks ) till then take care my online brothers and sisters.


Ikranä mokri

well i hope most of know that we are on this world and not pandora!
but they way it seems were planing to do things you could have agun or 2 back at teh eco village i was going for no guns within the tribe itself.





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'Itan Atxur

Quote from: bagget00 on February 24, 2010, 01:14:17 PM
Quote from: 'Itan Atxur on February 24, 2010, 12:06:01 PM
Even looking at it from a practical stand point, I just don't see guns as being necessary. Plus it's far easier to accidentally shoot someone with a gun than it is with bow and arrow. (still haven't voted. I want to see all the arguments first)


[edit] I never even thought about crossbows. I'll add that to the poll.

You don't accidently shhot someone if you know how to use one and are trained in how to shoot. You never put your finger on the trigger unless you are ready to kill. That's the rule.

Just because there's a rule doesn't mean it won't accidentally or intentionally be broken. All though I do understand your point.

Quote from: Twonyu Ikranä on February 24, 2010, 01:30:38 PM
well i hope most of know that we are on this world and not pandora!
but they way it seems were planing to do things you could have agun or 2 back at teh eco village i was going for no guns within the tribe itself.

Yeah, this is kind of what I'm thinking.

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IMO this shouldn't even be that hard of a question for anyone. Why do we need a gun or guns? That's just ignorant if you can't use a bow then get some training it pays off in the end trust me. And if we're out in the forest shooting off guns don't you think it'll attract a lot of unwanted attention to us. If you argue for the support of firearms in our tribe i am putting you off as either a troll or a ultra-conservative republican (same thing? :D) who wouldn't participate in this in the first place.

Guns are a creation of the world we are trying to escape and an especially superfluous creation. They were made first to kill people so that should say something. besides it would probably more accurate to assume that would be doing more trapping than actual hunting in the first place.
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