Hadza

[tsrräfkxätu]

Hey Na'vier-than-thou people!

The Hadza people of central Tanzania were recently featured in NatGeo as one of the very last remaining hunter-gatherers on our planet, so I thought I'd share this link with you – it's a pretty well-written entry with plenty of jump points to all over the web. Might be useful. (Sorry if it has already been posted, I don't follow this subforum.)

edit: I'll have to learn to right one day...

['Itan Atxur]

Excellent! I'll have to take a look at this when I don't have to go to work

[Esmond]

This is good info. It is sad to see that even they are threatened. They rely on the land around them for food and everyday items and private parties are restricting them from hunting and foraging. This is the modern society's mindset, they worship false wealth and destroy the true one.

['Itan Atxur]

Capitalism will be the death of the human race.

[Txon Taronyu]

"must crush capitalism" (simpsons)

[Swokéyan]

Hmm cool but i do think most people that already live in tribal culture would love to switch with all of us
And btw do you hate Capitalism more than Communism?

[tsrräfkxätu]

Not that I want to advocate any sort of political ideology here, especially communism, but you can't ignore the fact that the Na'vi society is as close to Marx's communist ideal as it gets. For those who entertain thoughts of living in a "Na'vi tribe" that ideology will not appear as "evil" as you might hope. Nor will they associate it with thought police, Stalin, or the proletarian revolution.

['Itan Atxur]

Communism was only a failure because of it's leadership

[guest2859]

I'll quote a friend:

'If Pro's and Con's are opposites, does that make the opposite of Progress Congress?' -CL

[Yeynari]

Hmm cool but i do think most people that already live in tribal culture would love to switch with all of us

Not neccessarily. Many of the tribal cultures were "converted" to modern life by force, the Sami of northern Scandinavia for example had to be shaken out of their ways through blunt force and brain washing in the middle of the 20th century, and there are still peoples who refuse to change despite several assimilation attempts. I would not say that all these are doing so out of ignorance.

[Jasiri]

Not that I want to advocate any sort of political ideology here, especially communism, but you can't ignore the fact that the Na'vi society is as close to Marx's communist ideal as it gets. For those who entertain thoughts of living in a "Na'vi tribe" that ideology will not appear as "evil" as you might hope. Nor will they associate it with thought police, Stalin, or the proletarian revolution.

This is true. The tribe as envisaged has all the hallmarks of the classic idea Marxist society.

If I remember right, at one point there were some Amish communities that were forced to incorporate their churches because they held all their land and "the means of production" in common, which (anti-communist) law did not allow.

The tribe will have to be careful about its image. How many countries/neighbors would welcome a settlement of armed "communists"?

[Tsamsiyu Atsteu]

Interesting. I see it not as communism, but simple egalitarianism. There is no money, but it would be likely that there is barter, and the tribe gives to each other because they are close knit. Everyone shares. The value is in the giving, not the taking. I don't have the ASG but I have read it, and there's a lot about how their possessions (possession rack, hammock) are gifted to them, making giving an extremely important role in the society. It's all done for the good of the people.

Not that I want to advocate any sort of political ideology here, especially communism, but you can't ignore the fact that the Na'vi society is as close to Marx's communist ideal as it gets. For those who entertain thoughts of living in a "Na'vi tribe" that ideology will not appear as "evil" as you might hope. Nor will they associate it with thought police, Stalin, or the proletarian revolution.

[Txon Taronyu]

Well it would be both since communism means sharing such as in a commun of monks they share everything thats what we would do I should think
and egalitarianism is just where every one is equal so we would be both 

communism works just in small groups

[Eana Tanhì]

communism is good only in theory

['Itan Atxur]

If it's good in theory, it CAN be good irl. It requires a good (read: not corrupt) leader.

[Eana Tanhì]

If it's good in theory, it CAN be good irl. It requires a good (read: not corrupt) leader.

and where to find that one?

['Itan Atxur]

If it's good in theory, it CAN be good irl. It requires a good (read: not corrupt) leader.

and where to find that one?

I don't understand. Are you looking for real life refrences? Cause I don't think there are any ATM. It's the idea of communism that is good, not the current was it's actually being executed.

[Eana Tanhì]

don't listen to me today, I have a really bad day (my mom pissed me off) 
i agree that there probably isn't any atm. If the communism work in a real life it would be great, and you are right that it requires a good leader. i think that a good leader is the most important thing what is necessary for communism to work, b/c than the most of the people will be satisfied and there won't be any big difference between people

[Txon Taronyu]

I think it only works in small groups such as when people go camping together they normaly share stuff and it works or like at camp

[Eana Tanhì]

it would work in a big groups too if all the people are honest and fair