Traditions and Rites of Passage

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Quote from: Dani on May 22, 2010, 04:04:00 AM
just throwing in an idea...
I'd use an amulett that ALL members get. Whoever wants a tatoo may risk having one done. You know, you need to do clean work with that and it might turn out pritty bad if you get an infection. Also, a symbol that everyone of the tribe wears might strengthen the idea of a group that is ONE, not a group that consists of this individual and this individual and this individual etc. I am not saying you should give up your individualities etc. because you will be an individual. BUT, if you are going to survive out in the wild I suggest you change your way of thinking into one that places the community at first and then the individual. You'll have to survive as a unified group, not each one alone working with others - if I can make clear the difference that I'm thinking about.

The thought of tatoos that show each persons individual traits is something thats sounds (to me at least) more like the latter: each one alone working with others. The Na'vi name can already be something that represents your strongest character trait. It may even change over time, if you want to have it so. A tatoo cannot change, so what if your 'best' character trait changes and you'd wish to have a change?

Just some thoughts here.

I totally agree!
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Some, like myself may be so allergic they can't get a tattoo. What could we do then? Perhaps a necklace, given when they become a part of the People, along with their Na'vi name?
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Tonbogiri

that sounds like a good idea. Some kind of small item of clothing that doesn't interfere with all the skills we'd need - so a bracelet or beads in the hair or some other funky thing?


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there's a thought! maybe a hairstyle (insert actual word i'm trying to think of here instead of hairstyle) or something like that.
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Eana Tanhì

i like the idea of ring, maybe we could write something on it or put a tribe symbol... it's small and it won't bother anyone, you can always remove it and people aren't allergic on him (at least I hope so)  ;)

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Quote from: Eana Tanhì on May 23, 2010, 10:39:09 AM
i like the idea of ring, maybe we could write something on it or put a tribe symbol... it's small and it won't bother anyone, you can always remove it and people aren't allergic on him (at least I hope so)  ;)

some people can be allergic to certain metals in rings, my grandmother was. The biggest problem with being allergic is that the finger swells in the allergic reaction, and makes it worse because it's then difficult to get off
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i didn't know about that allergie... i feel sorry for that people  :(

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yeah, it's not really a very common, or dangerous one for that matter.
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For rites of passage, what I envision is maybe when a person comes of age like from child to teen, then from teen to adult, and also to mark important occasions such as their first clean kill, marraige, and births.

I envision the person's guide/teacher putting symbols on them in paint, with there being chanting, drumming, perhaps singing and ritual dance, and a speech by the tribe leaders and that person's spiritual guide be it a shaman or priest or whatever, then the leader of the tribe bestowing a necklace, headband, bracelet or some such item on the person. Perhaps have the item made by the shaman or leader or something, to signify the importance of the rite and the act that brought that person there.
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Tsteu'itan

I'm going to have to second the "tattoos wouldn't work all the time" group.  If it was someone like me, who has an intense phobia of needles and cutting the skin, then no amount of "being strong enough" can get past that fear, and being told "once you become a full-fledged member of the tribe, you'll be tattooed" would be an outright rule breaker.

Metals would be something that you would have to watch out for if it was a charm or necklace or something of that sort.  I'm actually allergic to any metals that include nickel, brass, copper, etc.  Steel is fine, and gold, too, but that can be different for everyone.  A pendant made of carved wood, bone, shell, or stone might work, though, and if it were hung from a properly-made natural chord could last for years before needing to be rechorded.  You could also carve other jewelry types out of the same materials, so it wouldn't be strictly relegated to a necklace.  And it could still have a sense of community in giving and receiving the item, because others could make the item specifically for that person before giving it to them.

Txalion

I'm so glad that people are taking to my ideas. ^_^ I love all the thoughts and am really excited that people are getting into this. I think that some sort of symbol (a ring, bracelet, arm band, or tattoo) would be fantastic. Symbols are always important to a society and help us connect to one another. Plus I love the idea of a name that only our tribe knows. I think that a feeling of belonging is always important, and obviously many of us have already found our tribe names (if usernames are any indecation).

Keep those ideas flowing!
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It isn't an original idea, but what about the traditions and rites and etc. talked about in the Survival Guide? I think there are some good ideas for traditions and stuff. Like where it says that "Na'vi etiquette and tradition dictates that these ("Leaf Plate") trays are passed to every participant of a social gathering or ritual. One should not take a bowl, which is used for a mildly intoxicating drink (not in our case), off the tray for his or her own use. Instead, one must hold the tray and allow another adjacent clan member to take the bowl and place it before the drinker. only then can one drink from the cup. During festive occasions, children enjoy following the tray around the circle so that they can be the one to place the bowl in front of the tray holder." There are some others in the Guide, too.
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Tsteu'itan

With the survival guide, I love the concept of the personal belongings rack that couldn't be made by the individual who owned it, it had to be made by another member of the community.  That one always stuck out in my mind.  :)

Tsawla Eltu Tsamsiyu

That is what I'm talking about! There are such good ideas out there that we could use that we don't have to think up on our own! We need to put things on hold until the Tribe get sup and running or we should start making these now. We need to take action! How we will survive and thrive together (as well as keeping sane) is just as important as the location. I admit that these things will evolve, but only if we start them!
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There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.
There is no passion, there is serenity.
There is no chaos, there is harmony.
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Quote from: Tsawla Eltu Tsamsiyu on June 04, 2010, 07:19:58 PM
That is what I'm talking about! There are such good ideas out there that we could use that we don't have to think up on our own! We need to put things on hold until the Tribe get sup and running or we should start making these now. We need to take action! How we will survive and thrive together (as well as keeping sane) is just as important as the location. I admit that these things will evolve, but only if we start them!

A good point, good sir- but this must be tempered by restraint. We cannot have twelve-thousand threads all going at once while we still do not have a Location, or it will never get off the ground.

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Tsawla Eltu Tsamsiyu

This is a fact. A solid location and a laid out plan (could be a little rough) are essential as well. But this is a chance cube: there is no way to see all the sides unless we roll it. Evrything is equally important. There are just somethings that have a higher priority. Like the location.
There is no emotion, there is peace.
There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.
There is no passion, there is serenity.
There is no chaos, there is harmony.
There is no death, there is the Force.

Tsteu'itan

You could just keep the talk about these things to this thread alone, that way you're not spamming the rest of the Tribal forum with stuff unrelated to the very important things.

Something that you might try doing to get these started is in the early days - maybe even now - you could try doing hand-made trinkets and things for one another for special occassions.  Birthdays, graduations, those sorts of things.  So when someone's about to start celebrating something, you could have someone in the group make them something specifically for the tribe.  It would be a nice way to bond with one another and reinforce the desire you have to get the tribe going.  A strong sense of community is perhaps the most important thing to keeping this plan on track, after all.  If you begin to see each other as friends - and even family - then it will make it that much easier to get the ball rolling and finally make the move.

That being said, the important things really should be focused on, yes, like planning the camp and village.  Researching the climate and plants and animals and layout of the area you'd like to live in is probably the absolute most important thing, though.  Even before you decide how and where you want to set up the camp, you have to have an absolute understanding of the locations that are open to you.

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Quote from: Txalion on June 04, 2010, 03:54:14 PM
I'm so glad that people are taking to my ideas. ^_^ I love all the thoughts and am really excited that people are getting into this. I think that some sort of symbol (a ring, bracelet, arm band, or tattoo) would be fantastic. Symbols are always important to a society and help us connect to one another. Plus I love the idea of a name that only our tribe knows. I think that a feeling of belonging is always important, and obviously many of us have already found our tribe names (if usernames are any indecation).

Keep those ideas flowing!
armband would work alot easier. rings can be a hazard depending on the work ur doing. they can get caught and break fingers (trust me ive come close to doing it, ouch!) bracelets can do the same. but usually dont cause as many problems. (that i know of anyways.) on the other hand. if made correctly withthe right material so that it lays close to the skin, like an armband would it could most definately work. so, i can see either the bracelet or armband working. making the armband/bracelet by hand and considering what it would be for, making it kind of elaborate. would also help to boost the (hmm how to phrase this) not the ceremony itself but the feeling the person would get when accepted into the tribe or what ever the particular ceremony would be for. having something made by the people, family member, trusted friend would definately promote a feeling  of belonging to the group. and from what ive heard most of the jewelry the na'vi wear are made my friends or family. soooo...yeah.

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As for myself, and tattoo's..
I have one tattoo already, that I got with my brother on my shoulder.
Its a symbol between him and I that we made, and no one else posses.

Other than that tattoo, I have no more.
But, ever since I adopted the Na'vi way, I have a desire to get a full body tattoo.

It will be in UV ink, you cannot see it during the day time, but in the dark under a purple light
I will have the dot pattern that all Na'vi have on their bodies.
Some of you know which pattern I am referring to.

The "freckels" if you will, of the Na'vi.
Their freckle patterns glow in the dark on Pandora, and the designs are unique to each Na'vi

I share this with all of you, to whom might consider getting the same thing.
No one has done this yet, Im sure I'll be the first.
But not the last.

Eywa ngahu

Tsteu'itan

I saw a lengthy discussion on getting Na'vi tattoos done that way before, though I can't remember where.  It may have been on this board.  Unfortunately, it turns out that the UV ink is highly unstable, and only lasts for a short while before you have to be back in the tattoo parlor, getting every bit of it redone.  :/  Just something to keep in mind.