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Offline `Eylan Ayfalulukanä

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Re: More info on the Arctic Methane problem
« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2013, 02:41:06 am »
The best thing a person can do is do what they can to conserve. A bunch of little adjustments done by most folks will have a much bigger effect than drastic adjustments that few can comfortably do.
Except that the rise of China and India will more than offset any little adjustments made in the rest of the developed world.

I think this is getting a little off topic here, as the subject is methane. But I will answer your question with a question: Are we here in the US supposed to offset what the rest of the world does? Rampant pollution in the developing countries needs to be controlled in the developing countries.

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Look at reports from both sides with a skeptics eye: What do the people presenting the report have to gain on its predictions.
The key question is 'cui bono', Latin for who benefits?
Is it the protester lying in the mud trying to halt the dozzers? Or is it the mega rich corporations for whom a project will earn big money? Or is it the indigenous villagers who have lost their land, their homes, their way of life that's sustained them for countless generations and who have little choice but to live in horrific conditions in squalid shanty towns on the edge of a city in the vain hope of getting work they are not qualified for, and end up with HIV, cholera, plague and/or god knows what else?
Or native peoples driven, mostly on foot for six months across one thousand miles of ruff terrain with only the clothes on their back, no accommodation, no shelter, no blankets, woefully inadequate food and water supplies, zero medical provision, with a death toll on route somewhere between one quarter and three eighths. To sites with insufficient food, inadequate shelter, zero medical provision, to be allotted tracts of empty plains land they had no survival skills for, little to no shelter from sun or cold of night, little and often contaminated water, and as final gift, smallpox, malaria, measles, cholera, whooping cough and influenza.

So I ask you ..... Cui bono, who benefits?

I don't think you understood what I said. Both sides on the climate change issue are guilty of hyperbole. There really is a climate change problem. It is surprisingly hard to characterize, as it is tremendously complex, and happens over a long period of time. There is still a big question of how much of it is man-caused. The side that wants to push our civilization back into the stone age believes that most of it is man-caused. Big business, who wants to make maximum profits now, think almost none of it is man-caused. The real truth lies somewhere in between. It is up to the skeptic (=discerning person) to see where the real truth lies and act accordingly. The social justice issues you brought up above belong in their own thread.

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Re: More info on the Arctic Methane problem
« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2013, 07:54:02 am »
A bunch of little adjustments done by most folks in china will have a much bigger effect than drastic adjustments that those in the developed world can possibly do.



The difficulty (as I see it) is that all sides consider themselves to be the discerning person.
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Re: More info on the Arctic Methane problem
« Reply #22 on: October 29, 2013, 03:01:45 pm »
A bunch of little adjustments done by most folks in china will have a much bigger effect than drastic adjustments that those in the developed world can possibly do.

Very true, and probably by a large margin.

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The difficulty (as I see it) is that all sides consider themselves to be the discerning person.

The skeptics are easy to spot. They don't get 'religious' over their beliefs on a particular issue, and are willing to seriously consider both sides of an issue.

I was trained as a debater, and lettered in debate in school. The best debaters could readily switch sides on an issue, and there were actually debate tournaments that required you to switch sides between rounds. And although I did most of my debating as an affirmative debater (regardless of the topic), I did my best debating as a negative debater.

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