Surprise - FTL Particles (Maybe)

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Tsanten Eywa 'eveng

Quote from: Txur'Itan on September 22, 2011, 02:57:04 PM
http://gizmodo.com/5843006/faster-than-light-particles-could-wreck-einsteins-relativity-theory

I've read it on a norwegian internet newspaper, very facinating

If this is real, I wonder, how could this be possible? no objects can travel faster than light

Txur’Itan

Quote from: Tsanten Eywa 'eveng on September 22, 2011, 04:03:06 PM
Quote from: Txur'Itan on September 22, 2011, 02:57:04 PM
http://gizmodo.com/5843006/faster-than-light-particles-could-wreck-einsteins-relativity-theory

I've read it on a norwegian internet newspaper, very facinating

If this is real, I wonder, how could this be possible? no objects can travel faster than light

The thing is that they still need to verify that this is not a systemic error first.

However, if that is not the case.

Old theories need to be revised to fit measured facts.
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Ngima Nikre

I have my bets on systemic error. I cannot believe that scientists have uncovered this potential property of neutrinos just now, after having spent the past several decades studying them intensively.

Txur’Itan

Quote from: Ngima Nikre on September 22, 2011, 09:39:56 PM
I have my bets on systemic error. I cannot believe that scientists have uncovered this potential property of neutrinos just now, after having spent the past several decades studying them intensively.

According to the article, you are not alone on that.  However, belief can not win out in this case.

We'll have to wait for the results of the peer revue for factual (and hopefully untainted by bias) answers.

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Quote from: Txur'Itan on September 22, 2011, 04:06:57 PM
Quote from: Tsanten Eywa 'eveng on September 22, 2011, 04:03:06 PM
Quote from: Txur'Itan on September 22, 2011, 02:57:04 PM
http://gizmodo.com/5843006/faster-than-light-particles-could-wreck-einsteins-relativity-theory

I've read it on a norwegian internet newspaper, very facinating

If this is real, I wonder, how could this be possible? no objects can travel faster than light

The thing is that they still need to verify that this is not a systemic error first.

However, if that is not the case.

Old theories need to be revised to fit measured facts.

Since it was detected over a thousand trials, I'm sure that it's accurate. It's unlike CERN to notify the entire world about neutrinos travelling FTL from a detection in one test. They hav to make sure that their data is accurate and I'm sure they've done so.

To be honest, I'm not surprised that neutrinos travel FTL. I mean, they're so fast and so penetrating that with 90 light years of lead, only 50% of the neutrino would be stopped.


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Clarke

They have 1500 results, but they basically know for a fact that the experiment went wrong somewhere; they're publishing because they don't know what happened, and want everyone to have a look.

Yayo

No, they want to be wrong since the confirmation of this will throw the means of conventional Physics out the window.


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ExLibrisMortis

Remember that all science is is both the understanding of what is going on around us, and that science is nothing more than theory until disproven.

Clarke

Quote from: ExLibrisMortis on October 04, 2011, 06:58:34 PM
Remember that all science is is both the understanding of what is going on around us, and that science is nothing more than theory until disproven.
If this works, (very unlikely) then it will have world-shattering implications, because we'll have just invented a time machine!  :P

ExLibrisMortis

That's, of course, if you believe that time is linear.

Txur’Itan

Time is a human perception, and a measurement that has surprising flexibility when exposed to variations in gravity.

I think that a time machine implication here is consistent with relative time space dilation effect.  If a neutrino is traveling at faster than light speed, then a more compressed linear progression could theoretically be measured in the age of the neutrino.  We lack proper instrumentation to quantify that effectively.

However, if relativity is wrong, then time travel is potentially not occurring, and we systematically misunderstood the limiting factors in achieving that velocity and ways that it can be achieved.  In which case, prepare for new physics!
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ExLibrisMortis

I've always been one to proport the question of, what if the speed of light.... just is?

Tsanten Eywa 'eveng

now we can call this "the speed of time"

everything that travels faster than light, travels in time

what will come after time?

It would be so fast that it could travel to other universes. Some scientists think that it exists other universes or multiverses

hemmond

Well... What I've read, the scientist said, that they are also skeptics about this, and they are publishing this, so others can confirm/disapprove their tests... They don't really know if it's only system error or science breakthrough... But that was week ago. :) So if someone has new (or updated), and more accurate informations, tell them to me, please. :)
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ExLibrisMortis

Well when you're dealing with someone as delicate and complex as this, you have A LOT of room for error. Mostly error in the accuracy of your measuring devices.

Yayo

Well, if they've made errors for 1000+ consecutive tests, perhaps they check their instruments...  :-\


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Txur’Itan

The instruments are being checked.

Also, other experiments at other sites are pending.

Furthermore, there is this little anecdote.

In 2007 MINOS

A new upgrade is being implemented to go online next year.

There is a rumor that this may be a theoretical Tachyon source, which may have been accidentally discovered, and what was unwittingly observed.
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