The Na'vi DNA contreversy

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ToktorGrace

Quote from: Nyx on November 14, 2010, 05:45:14 PM
They do seem very similar indeed, but they could still have some weird stuff going on with the same (or at least a similar) end result. So their DNA could be built from other bases and the information wouldn't have to be stored in the same way as it is with us, but it can't be all too crazy since the systems are apparently compatible.

Good summary. Im going to go with that I think... and the so-called "NVTranscriptase" is just something invented by Terran scientists in order to translate the DNA to the Na'vi's genetic codes. Or something..
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One thing I did notice about DNA:
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The letter pairings (T-A, P-A, etc.) look like base pairs to me, which are what form the actual structure of DNA that encodes the genetic material. Interestingly, A (Adenine in humans, but I would guess something else here) seems to be capable of bonding to more than one other base, while in humans there are two different possible pairs, C-G and A-T. This looks like a structure that is in some way similar to DNA in terms of base pairs, but obviously more complicated (at least 6 bases with some being capable of multiple different pairs).
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I don't think we see some genome statistics in the Vitraya Ramunong analysis.

And I don't think the Avatars are Hybrids in the sense of cross breeding. It boils down that each Avatar must be matched to his driver, where matching means, their neurological system and physiology must be so close to the driver's one, that the neurological patterns recorded by the link unit can be applied to the Avatar's body. It more like, take Na'vi genome and modify it in a way, that the resulting body is a Na'vi counterpart to the driver's body, which was done by translating parts of the human genome into whatever Pandoran biology uses.

Unfortunately there's this sentence by Jake "human DNA mixed with the DNA of the natives", but Jake is neither a scientist nor is he deeply interested yet at this point — it's still just another job/hellhole. So it's likely he just says into his videolog, what little he was able to comprehend then.

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Quote from: Kerame Pxel Nume on November 16, 2010, 03:20:08 AM

And I don't think the Avatars are Hybrids in the sense of cross breeding. It boils down that each Avatar must be matched to his driver, where matching means, their neurological system and physiology must be so close to the driver's one, that the neurological patterns recorded by the link unit can be applied to the Avatar's body. It more like, take Na'vi genome and modify it in a way, that the resulting body is a Na'vi counterpart to the driver's body, which was done by translating parts of the human genome into whatever Pandoran biology uses.

Unfortunately there's this sentence by Jake "human DNA mixed with the DNA of the natives", but Jake is neither a scientist nor is he deeply interested yet at this point — it's still just another job/hellhole. So it's likely he just says into his videolog, what little he was able to comprehend then.

Well put.

Perhaps the NVTranscriptase is the enzyme used that can translate the Human DNA components necessary for matching up the neurological DNA blueprint for the humans to the Pandoran genetic code. (Probably already mentioned before, but eh.. science is often redundant).
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No, that Article said that was the genetic info carrying molecule  :P
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ToktorGrace

Quote from: Kactíma on November 19, 2010, 12:44:06 PM
No, that Article said that was the genetic info carrying molecule  :P

Gah! Why couldnt they at least ASK a person who has taken a science class at some point before writing that up? *sighs*
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Nyx

Quote from: Kactíma on November 19, 2010, 12:44:06 PM
No, that Article said that was the genetic info carrying molecule  :P
To whoever wrote that, I have one word: kehe

Brainiac

Quote from: Nyx on November 20, 2010, 10:11:35 AM
Quote from: Kactíma on November 19, 2010, 12:44:06 PM
No, that Article said that was the genetic info carrying molecule  :P
To whoever wrote that, I have one word: kehe
I have another one: lol :p
seriously though? a molecule?
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Kactima

Yes DNA is a molecule,

Containing the Phosphatedeoxyribose backbone holding the structure together
then the proteins
A - Adenine
T - Thymine
G - Guanine
C - Cytosine
that carry the data
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Brainiac

Quote from: Kactíma on November 21, 2010, 04:53:48 PM
Yes DNA is a molecule,


I know ^^

I agree that my above comment makes me sound like a stupid.
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your not stupid!     :)     


no one is stupid...... please don't make me say that again ???
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Interesting that we're picking apart the science of an article that has the phrase 'psionic amplifiication' in it.  :D
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Quote from: Eyawng te Klltepayu on November 22, 2010, 11:47:27 PM
Interesting that we're picking apart the science of an article that has the phrase 'psionic amplifiication' in it.  :D

Ha! I felt this as well. :) Still, it is in the nature of man to analyze and make sure everything is "right" in his mind. ;)

Nyx

It's not just about the article, it's about how the genetic code is stored in the na'vi. But yes, I admit the source is a little... un-good. We just don't have much info on this.

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I am astonished with your research on the DNA and cell system of the Na'vi.
So many very good ideas! Many theories! I love it.  ;D

I could give an opinion, but it would be to closely related to the Human Genome and structure.
To study the Na'vi for real, would be my dream.

I'll read up more on this matter so I can give you my theory.   

   
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ToktorGrace

I'm glad Im not the only one who wants to know the (pseudo)science behind all of this!

Obviously... this article isn't the best. I am tempted to try emailing some of the scientists who worked with Cameron on designing plants and animals, though I doubt they delved into genetic material information.
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On the subject of Avatar biology, has anyone ever wondered why the Avatar bodies have complete brains?  ??? Surely all they would need would be the brain-stem and the hypothalamus (and whatever part of the brain intercepts data from the queue) as the driver is responsible for all the higher brain functions.
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Left to their own devices, the Avatar bodies are capable of nothing other than autonomous functions. It seems likely to me that all of the 'processing' occurs in the driver's own brain, and the Avatar bodies merely provide a sort of 'data feed' from some kind of transmitter/receiver implant on the top of the brainstem. Kind of like cloud computing- you have a low powered machine, so you get your realtime rendering done elsewhere and streamed back to you.
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Nyx

Hmm, interesting ^^ I saw it more as some kind of teleportation of consciousness. That way the driver would be left without much more than autonomous functions while the rest is in the avatar. Don't ask me about details on that though, I haven't figured them out yet.

(Now I'm wondering if it'd be possible to listen in on the transmissions...)