Complex sentence

[`Eylan Ayfalulukanä]

How bad did I mess up??

Torukìl Ikranit oeyä yolm furia ke nitram lu oe

[Kì'eyawn]

Kaltxì, ma 'Eylan.  Very, very close =)  Two small things.

First, with furia where you have it now, the sentence says "concerning this thing that i am not happy, the toruk ate my ikran."  So, you can either move furia to the very beginning, or change it out for a fì'uri.  The a sort of "points" to the dependent clause.

Second, we were originally told by Frommer that to talk about internal states you don't use lu but 'efu—so, ke nitram 'efu oe.  That being said, in the last e-mail i got from Karyu Pawl, he used lu just like you did; so i e-mailed back to ask if he'd changed his mind or if that was a gaffe.  Still waiting to hear back

[Plumps]

Plus, the verb form is mis-spelled, I think you wanted to say yolom

[Kemaweyan]

So.. Which is the cause and which is the effect? As I understand, the cause is Torukìl Ikranit oeyä yolom. And therefore you are not happy, right? So it should be Torukìl ikranit oeyä yolom a fì'uri ke nitram 'efu oe.

[kewnya txamew'itan]

Alternatively, you can replace the furia (or, correctly, a fì'uri) with tafral.

[`Eylan Ayfalulukanä]

Alternatively, you can replace the furia (or, correctly, a fì'uri) with tafral.

Ah, this is starting to make sense! I saw this sort of thing being brought up in another thread. So it seems furia and tafral both work like the word 'because'. Therefore:

effect because cause
effect furia cause
effect tafral cause
cause a fi`uri effect



Which is generally a better choice? tafral or furia?

[Payä Tìrol]

Until we hear more about the topical, I would personally try to stick with tafral, alunta/taluna, and taweyk for because, depending on usage.

[kewnya txamew'itan]

Alternatively, you can replace the furia (or, correctly, a fì'uri) with tafral.

Ah, this is starting to make sense! I saw this sort of thing being brought up in another thread. So it seems furia and tafral both work like the word 'because'. Therefore:

effect because cause
effect furia cause
effect tafral cause
cause a fi`uri effect



Which is generally a better choice? tafral or furia?

tafral goes the other way around e.g.

effect because cause
effect furia cause
effect talun(a) cause
cause therefore effect
cause tafral effect
cause alunta effect

That said, furia isn't so much used for causes as topics, it's difficult to describe, but as a rule of thumb, if in English you'd say "that" (e.g. I am happy that) you can use a "fì'u a" construction and this is probably better than using tafral, talun or alunta. If you wouldn't say "that", use one of the other three.

Here you could use either because both:

I am not happy that toruk ate my ikran
and
I am not happy because toruk ate my ikran
or
toruk ate my ikran therefore I am not happy