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Does this make sense?
« on: February 05, 2010, 11:32:26 pm »
Kaltxì, ma oeyä eylan.  Could you take a moment and read this to tell me if it makes sense to you?

Oeri ngaru lok nì'ul to txe'lan oeyä,
ulte kelusatem nì'ul to 'ekong peyä.

I really appreciate all the help you've been giving me since i joined the forum, ayngari seiyi irayo.  Eywa ngahu.

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Re: Does this make sense?
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2010, 05:59:24 am »
I am closer to you than your heart
And more unchanging than it's beat

Not sure why you used topic in oeri, it's not really being used topically there.
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Re: Does this make sense?
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2010, 06:38:31 am »
I am closer to you than your my heart
And more unchanging than it's its his/her beat

As far as I know we have not seen po refer to anything but persons.
(Frommer: "Po is used for he/she unless it's desirable to make a gender distinction--e.g. to avoid ambiguity in discourse.")

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Re: Does this make sense?
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2010, 06:41:41 am »
Bah yeah I got my pronoun mixed up on the first one.

But the second, I was translating what it was attempting to say, not what was or was not correct.  There are a few cases in the vocab where something based on po DOES say "person/thing", but it is true we don't know if that works or not.
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Re: Does this make sense?
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2010, 10:04:58 am »
Irayo, ma oeyä eylan,

You're both right; i meant to say "ngeyä" in the first line.  This is what i get for writing late at night...

I didn't realize "po" couldn't be used as an, erm, non-personal pronoun (don't know the official linguistic term for that).  I guess i'll have to keep my eyes and ears open, see if we get anything definite from Dr. Frommer.  Thank you for your help.

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Re: Does this make sense?
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2010, 03:20:00 pm »
I've been doing some audio analysis lately, including looking at the waveform of recordings, and I just might have hit upon something here. In this clip, I hear this:

ufo lehrrap
those things are dangerous

Maybe, just maybe, the "non-personal" form of po is created by way of the 'u morpheme we know signifies "thing"?

(WP/WB suggests the reading lu fo lehrrap, but I can't find evidence of anything before the u.)

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Re: Does this make sense?
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2010, 04:42:02 pm »
I've been doing some audio analysis lately, including looking at the waveform of recordings, and I just might have hit upon something here. In this clip, I hear this:

ufo lehrrap
those things are dangerous

Maybe, just maybe, the "non-personal" form of po is created by way of the 'u morpheme we know signifies "thing"?

(WP/WB suggests the reading lu fo lehrrap, but I can't find evidence of anything before the u.)

Hmm...  You're right; giving that recording another listen, i don't hear "lu fo," either.  Of course, that's one of the hardest consonants for me to hear, in general.  Where did the transcript come from--did Dr. Frommer write it out for his interviewers?  I get the impression not...

Grr, this language is frustrating!  We can't exactly go to the bookstore and get "Na'vi for Dummies" to answer our questions; we just have to wait...  I hate waiting.

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