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futa,tsnì,furia,.......
« on: January 31, 2011, 10:09:15 am »
kame ayngat ma eylan
tsun tuteo piveng oeru what is the difference between tsnì,futa,furia,fula... srak?
I know what "a" means and I am able to use "futa" a little but the others are a complete blank.
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Re: futa,tsnì,furia,.......
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2011, 10:37:05 am »
Kaltxì. Futa is fì'u+t+a. It is used after transitive verbs as patient (e.g. oel fpìl futa ngaru tìyawr).

Furia is fì'u+ri+a. It can be used with both transitive and intransitive verbs (e.g. oe ngaru irayo si furia tsat oeru tolìng ngal).

Fula is fì'u+l+a. It is used with transitive verbs as agent (e.g. fula oel ngati kolame oeti sleykolu nitram).

Tsnì is used only with two verbs: sìlpey and ätxäle si.
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Re: futa,tsnì,furia,.......
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2011, 10:40:44 am »
Ma Sireayä mokri, you forgot fwa :)
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Re: futa,tsnì,furia,.......
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2011, 10:42:15 am »
Ma Sireayä mokri, you forgot fwa :)
which is fì'u a, so, same as the others just without a case marker

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Re: futa,tsnì,furia,.......
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2011, 10:47:43 am »
Well, Tswusayona Tsamsiyu did not ask about fwa, so I thought it was clear :)
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Re: futa,tsnì,furia,.......
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2011, 11:08:56 am »
It's on my list of things to do to write a big post on these.  I should really get on that.
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Re: futa,tsnì,furia,.......
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2011, 02:39:45 pm »
Thank you everyone for all the explanations
By the way I would like to know what is the meaning of fwa and when do we use it
I just fogot about it and that's why I didn't mention it
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Re: futa,tsnì,furia,.......
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2011, 03:26:33 am »
Furia is fì'u+ri+a. It can be used with both transitive and intransitive verbs (e.g. oe ngaru irayo si furia tsat oeru tolìng ngal).
I believe this is actually the wrong order. While it may be correct, every time we have seen Frommer use the topic, it has been first part of the clause.  (E.g. Furia fìtsengit terok fte tsivun ayngahu teri lì’fya leNa’vi pivängkxo, oeru prrte’ lu nìngay.)  I know some people hate splitting up a thought like that, but you can always swap it around...  EG...

furia tsat oeru tolìng ngal, oe ngaru irayo si
tsat oeru tolìng ngal a fì'uri, oe ngaru irayo si
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Re: futa,tsnì,furia,.......
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2011, 09:32:39 am »
I believe this is actually the wrong order. While it may be correct, every time we have seen Frommer use the topic, it has been first part of the clause.  (E.g. Furia fìtsengit terok fte tsivun ayngahu teri lì’fya leNa’vi pivängkxo, oeru prrte’ lu nìngay.)  I know some people hate splitting up a thought like that, but you can always swap it around...  EG...

furia tsat oeru tolìng ngal, oe ngaru irayo si
tsat oeru tolìng ngal a fì'uri, oe ngaru irayo si


Well, I always try to use topic in the beginning of a sentence (or clause), but I feel like it can make "free word order" not so "free". I am really curious to hear an official word on that.
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Re: futa,tsnì,furia,.......
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