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Re: Na'vi practice thread
« Reply #140 on: March 14, 2011, 04:19:25 am »
sute a tìsusi sì ke tìfpusìl lu  :)
This is a word-for-word translation of English. You really should know better, 'E.A.

In people who are acting and not thinking, acting and thinking are both verbs in progressive aspect. The function of are is that of an auxiliary verb, rather than a real verb.

As you know, tì-‹us› creates gerunds, which are essentially nouns, not verbs.

Additionally, si does not have a gerund form.
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Re: Na'vi practice thread
« Reply #141 on: March 14, 2011, 03:59:03 pm »
sute a tìsusi sì ke tìfpusìl lu  :)
This is a word-for-word translation of English. You really should know better, 'E.A.

In people who are acting and not thinking, acting and thinking are both verbs in progressive aspect. The function of are is that of an auxiliary verb, rather than a real verb.

As you know, tì-‹us› creates gerunds, which are essentially nouns, not verbs.

Additionally, si does not have a gerund form.


1. Often, I don't know any better (but am trying to rid myself of that problem)  ::)
2. I thought they were verbs, Now, I see where I was misled (I had also been at work 30
    hours straight).
3. I do not understand what you mean by 'progressive aspect'? I looked this term up, and
    what I wrote (with the gerunds) seems to be what this term means.
4. I was not aware that si- verbs cannot have the gerund form. (But the 'fix'
    looks easy-- drop the si.)

How about sute a ke fpìl slä nìwin kerä

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Re: Na'vi practice thread
« Reply #142 on: March 14, 2011, 04:13:05 pm »
Progressive aspect is essentially a sub-category of imperfective aspect (others are habitual, continuous and iterative aspects). In English the progressive aspect is created with the verb to be and the passive participle of the verb being performed. For example, I am hunting is present-progressive, you were running is past-progressive etc.


How about sute a ke fpìl slä nìwin kerä
Ke pairs with ki. I also wouldn't use different aspects for the verbs. Sute a ke fpìl ki tul perhaps.
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Re: Na'vi practice thread
« Reply #143 on: May 03, 2011, 10:23:56 am »
i'm just a sngä'iyu by now but what about "ngäng palulukanä layu teya fa fìfoti a win säpi netsengur" ???
(i'm sure there are at least 20 mistakes i made in this sentence so rutxe correct me  :) )

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Re: Na'vi practice thread
« Reply #144 on: May 03, 2011, 12:58:15 pm »
i'm just a sngä'iyu by now but what about "ngäng palulukanä layu teya fa fìfoti (1) a win säpi netsengur (2)" ???
(1) I think it's not entirely wrong (apart from fì-, what must be fay+ here), but I would say "teya ta fayfo ..." or "teya fayfeyä
(2) if you say ne-, you don't need the Dative.

You guessed a bit wrong with your 20 mistakes... ;)

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Re: Na'vi practice thread
« Reply #145 on: May 03, 2011, 10:34:13 pm »
i'm just a sngä'iyu by now but what about "ngäng palulukanä layu teya fa fìfoti (1) a win säpi netsengur (2)" ???
(1) I think it's not entirely wrong (apart from fì-, what must be fay+ here), but I would say "teya ta fayfo ..." or "teya fayfeyä

While fayfo is correct, I have a preference towards ayfko.

Also with #2, tsengne would probably work best.

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Re: Na'vi practice thread
« Reply #146 on: May 04, 2011, 07:36:15 am »
Also with #2, tsengne would probably work best.

Maybe just tsane?
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Re: Na'vi practice thread
« Reply #147 on: May 04, 2011, 11:20:22 am »
irayo ma tsmuk! i thought there would be much more mistakes... ;D so with your tips this should sound ok: "ngäng palulukanä layu teya ta fayfo a win säpi netseng"... or did i make a mistake again? ;D (hopefully not :D)

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Re: Na'vi practice thread
« Reply #148 on: May 04, 2011, 04:51:41 pm »
irayo ma tsmuk! i thought there would be much more mistakes... ;D so with your tips this should sound ok: "ngäng palulukanä layu teya ta fayfo a win säpi netseng"... or did i make a mistake again? ;D (hopefully not :D)

Only netseng is a mistake that time.  Ne either is seperate at the front of a word, or attaches to the back, so either ne tseng or tsengne will work.

Also with #2, tsengne would probably work best.
Maybe just tsane?

That works as well.

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Re: Na'vi practice thread
« Reply #149 on: May 05, 2011, 01:54:45 am »
Nitram lu palulukan a ngäng ateya nìhawng taluna yerom sawtute askxawng  :)

Read the discussion and see reply #157 for an improved version.
« Last Edit: May 06, 2011, 03:00:13 pm by `Eylan Ayfalulukanä »

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Re: Na'vi practice thread
« Reply #150 on: May 05, 2011, 07:08:29 am »
skxawng is a noun. you should use leskxawng here. ;)
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Re: Na'vi practice thread
« Reply #151 on: May 05, 2011, 10:14:03 am »
irayo ma tsmuk! i thought there would be much more mistakes... ;D so with your tips this should sound ok: "ngäng palulukanä layu teya ta fayfo a win säpi netseng"... or did i make a mistake again? ;D (hopefully not :D)

Only netseng is a mistake that time.  Ne either is seperate at the front of a word, or attaches to the back, so either ne tseng or tsengne will work.

Also with #2, tsengne would probably work best.
Maybe just tsane?

That works as well.


ah i understand  :D i don't really even know wahat this ne- means i just found this word in my dictionary so i used it... ;D what actually means this ne- ?  :-\

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Re: Na'vi practice thread
« Reply #152 on: May 05, 2011, 10:18:10 am »
It's a directional adposition meaning to, towards. Used in expressions like ne narìng oe keräI am going to the forest.
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Re: Na'vi practice thread
« Reply #153 on: May 05, 2011, 04:10:39 pm »
skxawng is a noun. you should use leskxawng here. ;)

Unfortunately le- is not productive, and leskxawng is not glossed. The next best thing is -a-, and it is my understanding that nouns can be used as adjectives.

Better suggestions are always welcome.

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Re: Na'vi practice thread
« Reply #154 on: May 05, 2011, 09:31:48 pm »
To bad it isn't productive
they killed the [you] tag

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Re: Na'vi practice thread
« Reply #155 on: May 06, 2011, 07:38:07 am »
The next best thing is -a-, and it is my understanding that nouns can be used as adjectives.

They can't be. Attributive marker can only be used with "pure" adjectives (yaymak, for example), participles (tusaron) or with le- modified words (leNa'vi). So, even though it's not official yet, I don't think that anybody would doubt what leskxawng means.
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Re: Na'vi practice thread
« Reply #156 on: May 06, 2011, 07:48:36 am »
and you can always use a lu.
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Re: Na'vi practice thread
« Reply #157 on: May 06, 2011, 02:59:19 pm »
Irayo anag Good suggestion! fixed now.

Nitram lu palulukan a ngäng ateya nìhawng taluna yerom sawtute a lu skxawng  :)
« Last Edit: May 07, 2011, 02:11:57 am by `Eylan Ayfalulukanä »

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Re: Na'vi practice thread
« Reply #158 on: May 06, 2011, 10:50:40 pm »
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Re: Na'vi practice thread
« Reply #159 on: May 07, 2011, 02:19:52 am »
and you can always use a lu.

or na ;)


a lu works better here as you can attribute the state of the eaten sawtute as skxawng (and actually, as I look at this, it should be ayskxawng). na does not work real well here, as it essentially means 'like ayskxawng' or 'as ayskxawng This is almost a kind of comparison, which is another use of na. I am trying to indicate a state, thus lu works better as a coupla verb. Thus, I will stick with (with the above noted plural correction):

Nitram lu palulukan a ngäng ateya nìhawng taluna yerom sawtute a lu ayskxawng

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